SMG apparently approved of Burnham's hair choices, and I don't think she'd lie about that.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x01 - "Brother"
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And what is the REAL reason?. You obviously have the answer...
yeah I learned from the best
They introduced a Saurian crewmember in the episode, but made it so he couldn't apparently speak decipherable language. Kind of a shame, because I also want to see more non-human crewmembers who can easily take part in the plot.
I agree, and as I mentioned earlier I thought that Pike telling Nhan "Get that red shirt into an EV suit, Nhan. You're with us." was an attempt at intentional misdirection by the writers, trying to make us think Nhan would not be coming home.
Yup. We're done here. Anyone smart will be too.
I’m glad we’re done
You don't want to admit it because you're smart.
Watching it again, love the production, especially the holo drawing and writings. So cool!
As for pissed off Spock junior, yeah this is definitely the Spock who beat up those school kids lol
As for pissed off Spock junior, yeah this is definitely the Spock who beat up those school kids lol
Pike: ...Besides, we got the new uniforms.
Saru: And what lovely uniforms they are, Captain.
Burnham: Very colorful.
I loved that exchange. I think there was a tinge of playful sarcasm in Burnham's voice (just a little).
I unstand the accusation you and the other flame warrior are getting at. I must be all over the TNG message boards saying how much I hate guinan, ENT board about how I hate hoshi sato and in fact I must hate half of the characters in Star Trek. If I had a problem with certain types of people, I wouldn’t be a Star Trek fan, it’s the most diverse series in tv history. Couldn’t it just be I don’t like the character of Michael burnham?. Everyone’s a boogeyman these days it seems....
He held the second chair for bell frame in his grade school orchestra.
Now there's a thought...
Does the time period when Burnham joins the family occur before or after "YESTERYEAR" (TAS).
We don't see I-Chaya in the house, but I can't remember how old Spock was during that episode.
It was the school marching band -- and boy, was it a difficult instrument for a marching band.
Memory Alpha says age 7 in the year 2237 for Yesteryear
In TAS in the original timeline I-Chaya was not dead, I think he beat up those kids when he was 7 and he looked older than 7 in this episode.
I have no idea about you personally, not going to throw accusations around without at least reading the exchange (which I haven't, not fully) but I am going to say this:
If you genuinely believe the trek fandom is made up entirely of enlightened, tolerant, progressive people who wouldn't be out of place in a Starfleet uniform you're going to be very disappointed.
Late to the party and doubtful I'm adding much to the conversation. But, I'll start with the good:
- Jett Reno was a highlight. I hope she's not a one off.
- Visual effects for the asteroid sequence were outstanding.
- Pike is okay.
The rest:
- Tilly. Sorry, but you irritate the bejesus out of me (although my partner loves her, so YMMV). I found a few scenes with her reminding me of fucking Gilmore Girls with the unrealistic speed of light dialogue.
- Burnham. I don't find her character compelling enough to justify so much focus on her.
- For an episode that moved without barely taking a breath, not a hell of a lot happened.
- Enterprise science officer was as subtle as a sledgehammer: "Hi everyone - I'm the resident asshole".
- The sneeze. Seriously? Most of the attempts at humor were off.
Overall, I find the attempts at creating depth come off as flat and insincere. Very much a case of style over substance. I think I'm pretty well boned so far as ever being a bona fide fan of the series. I'll keep watching for now and can only hope it might click with me down the track...
- Jett Reno was a highlight. I hope she's not a one off.
- Visual effects for the asteroid sequence were outstanding.
- Pike is okay.
The rest:
- Tilly. Sorry, but you irritate the bejesus out of me (although my partner loves her, so YMMV). I found a few scenes with her reminding me of fucking Gilmore Girls with the unrealistic speed of light dialogue.
- Burnham. I don't find her character compelling enough to justify so much focus on her.
- For an episode that moved without barely taking a breath, not a hell of a lot happened.
- Enterprise science officer was as subtle as a sledgehammer: "Hi everyone - I'm the resident asshole".
- The sneeze. Seriously? Most of the attempts at humor were off.
Overall, I find the attempts at creating depth come off as flat and insincere. Very much a case of style over substance. I think I'm pretty well boned so far as ever being a bona fide fan of the series. I'll keep watching for now and can only hope it might click with me down the track...
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I think Nyotarules is of the school of (which I am also part of) that the intent does not need to be racist for the result to be racist. The intent was the tell a story about a human woman who adopted the hairstyle of her Vulcan saviors. This, on its own, is not a problematic or racist when we're trying to tell a story sci-fi story about a human girl in an alien situation. But, when you cast a black woman as that character, it brings up a whole new set of connotations and meaning that wasn't intended, but the result is this: a TV show asked a black woman to not have a black woman's natural hair, during a time in (real world) history that the very subject is touchy. They could have easily not done this, and her entire story would have been 100% exactly the same.
If anything, SMG made a point to say that in the interview for the purpose of quelling anger about it in the first place, much like how in interviews after Culber's death were quick to say they didn't bury any gays. She may even have brought up the point, but was satisfied with the rationalization. I doubt anyone on production intended to do something racist, but thats the problem with pervasive racism...it exists and happens without you even realizing it.
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