News Georgiou Section 31 Series officially announced:
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This is how it's going to go: CBS All Access will ramp up the Star Trek series to a point where they have at least one new episode 52 weeks per year or close to it. People are increasingly doing more of their viewing online than on actual TVs and this will be more true for each newer generation. So, if CBS All Access has nowhere to go but up, then it'll be around for a while, even if it can't really compete with Netflix. It can exist alongside it as something else viewers watch.
CBS All Access needs more new programming and they think the Star Trek Franchise can fit the bill. And it will fit the bill until they develop more programming that begins to take hold, meaning that it drives up the number of subscribers. Geometrically. Then CBS All Access' demand for more Star Trek will gradually become less and they'll start ramping down the number of Star Trek series accordingly. This will take a long, long, long time.
By the time all of this happens, Discovery will have already long ago run its course. DSC will end on its own terms.
CBS All Access needs more new programming and they think the Star Trek Franchise can fit the bill. And it will fit the bill until they develop more programming that begins to take hold, meaning that it drives up the number of subscribers. Geometrically. Then CBS All Access' demand for more Star Trek will gradually become less and they'll start ramping down the number of Star Trek series accordingly. This will take a long, long, long time.
By the time all of this happens, Discovery will have already long ago run its course. DSC will end on its own terms.
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I agree with all of this. I think the only thing that can change what you said is if CBS pulls the plug on All Access which I can't see happening for a very long time if it ever happens. (Despite some Star Trek Youtubers' hopes and dreams).
Not as long as you think. If Twilight Zone is a big hit, you may see them hold steady with existing Trek, or even not renew one of the shows. All it will take is ONE other big hit to make them feel a bit more comfortable.
I can see them making multiple Star Trek spin-off series. The Twilight Zone, being an anthology, isn't really conductive to spin-offs. They'd have to have a ton of different series that are hits or they have to pick up another franchise that lends itself to spin-offs like Star Trek does. Law & Order is done, except for one series. CSI is too big for CBS to have CBS All Access exclusive. They need something not big enough to have on CBS but big enough to keep CBS All Access going. They need something in that middle ground to do what they think Star Trek will do for them and have spin-off potential.
Otherwise, their thinking would probably be, "Why should we air this on CBS All Access when we can just have it on CBS?" It has to be "big but not too big". Once the subscriptions to CBS All Access outweigh the ratings on terrestrial CBS, that's when the scales will tip. That's going to take some time because Baby Boomers and Seniors love CBS and they watch in mass numbers.
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When I first heard this announcement, I was disappointing that it wasn't PU Georgiou, she was one of my favorites.
My second thought was that they should do a "Breaking Good" where Georgiou breaks good by being exposed to the good things of the Prime Universe. Where she has only seen darkness all now seems light.
I hope not. Into Darkness was terrible, but that was a different universe. With all the talk of honoring Star Trek's ideals that we are hearing from Kurtzman, I hope they recapture the mood from DS9's S31 episodes, where they were clearly indicated to be in the wrong by our heroic, and mostly honorable, heroes.
I hope this show doesn't focus on negative "kewl" Section 31 stuff, and instead focuses on good vs. bad, right vs. wrong, and hopefully Georgiou discovering that there is the potential for a moral compass and moral acts, we just have to implement them.
So all in all, thank you everyone for the discussion about this new show! I have moved from being very disappointed and not interested in this series idea (a first for this Trek revival timeframe), to being optimistic about the potential for continuing to fulfill Star Trek's ideals. Which is my hope for every Trek show, including Discovery season 2.
The Georgiou Show might not premier until Discovery finishes?
http://trekcore.com/blog/2019/01/se...-discovery-is-over-says-cbs-all-access-chief/
http://trekcore.com/blog/2019/01/se...-discovery-is-over-says-cbs-all-access-chief/
http://trekcore.com/blog/2019/01/kurtzman-kadin-picard-georgiou-shows-star-trek-discovery-season-3/
TREKCORE: How do you see a character like ‘evil’ Mirror Georgiou fitting into the overall optimism of the Star Trek universe?
HEATHER KADIN: What’s great about her, even though yes, she’s quote-unquote ‘evil,’ she’s still within our world that’s been created. I think so much of her ‘evilness’ comes from the deliciousness of her enjoyment of the character, and as an actress playing the role [of prime Georgiou].
You should never feel like, “Meanwhile, on a whole other show…” It really feels of a piece.
TREKCORE: Is there any kind of timeline for when we might see [the Section 31 show]?
KADIN: Not officially, but she’ll be in ‘Discovery’ Season 3.
[…]
NEARBY INTERVIEWER LEANS IN:Did you say Georgiou was in Season 3?
TREKCORE: Season 2?
KADIN: And Season 3, yes.
TREKCORE: Oh!
KADIN: Yes.
What a bunch of nonsense. Her evilness is based on her deeds. She is genocidal, mass murderer who enjoys eating Kelpians. And when the Federation is working together with her instead of putting her in prison, they are turning nasty themselves. The mere existence of a shady organization such as Section 31 at the core of the Federation is already undermining the message of a positive future. If a society only works because humans are doing evil things like Section 31 does, it is not an utopian society. It is rotten at its core.
This article gets it:
https://www.newsweek.com/star-trek-...-yeoh-georgiou-utopia-deep-space-nine-1290976
And having Georgiou and Section 31 in season 2 and 3 of DIS is really not helping making DIS more optimistic. Having all the time characters on the screen undermining whatever positive message about the future they like to convey, is not helpful.
TREKCORE: How do you see a character like ‘evil’ Mirror Georgiou fitting into the overall optimism of the Star Trek universe?
HEATHER KADIN: What’s great about her, even though yes, she’s quote-unquote ‘evil,’ she’s still within our world that’s been created. I think so much of her ‘evilness’ comes from the deliciousness of her enjoyment of the character, and as an actress playing the role [of prime Georgiou].
You should never feel like, “Meanwhile, on a whole other show…” It really feels of a piece.
TREKCORE: Is there any kind of timeline for when we might see [the Section 31 show]?
KADIN: Not officially, but she’ll be in ‘Discovery’ Season 3.
[…]
NEARBY INTERVIEWER LEANS IN:Did you say Georgiou was in Season 3?
TREKCORE: Season 2?
KADIN: And Season 3, yes.
TREKCORE: Oh!
KADIN: Yes.
What a bunch of nonsense. Her evilness is based on her deeds. She is genocidal, mass murderer who enjoys eating Kelpians. And when the Federation is working together with her instead of putting her in prison, they are turning nasty themselves. The mere existence of a shady organization such as Section 31 at the core of the Federation is already undermining the message of a positive future. If a society only works because humans are doing evil things like Section 31 does, it is not an utopian society. It is rotten at its core.
This article gets it:
https://www.newsweek.com/star-trek-...-yeoh-georgiou-utopia-deep-space-nine-1290976
And having Georgiou and Section 31 in season 2 and 3 of DIS is really not helping making DIS more optimistic. Having all the time characters on the screen undermining whatever positive message about the future they like to convey, is not helpful.
Considering the shit Section 31 is super secret, I'm not seeing the problem. The average citizen or Starfleet officer has no idea what they're doing.
What I'm wondering is why Uraei would go public with Thirty-One at this point in the timeline. Them being dismantled in the late 24th century is going to be so anticlimactic now. 
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Looks like the Georgiou/Section 31 show won't arrive for awhile. Perhaps backpeddling has begun?
Who knows how secret they really are in the DIS universe as they don't really try to hide. But let's assume you are right and the average citizen doesn't know that Section 31 exists.
Do you know the movie Logan's Run?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan's_Run_(film)
The average citizens in that movie believe that they live in an utopian society, but would you say they really do? I wouldn't, because their believe is a result of a lack of knowledge. They don't know what really happens to people when they turn 30. And they don't really know that "renewing" people at that age is also unnecessary as the outside world is liveable.
Or what about the movie Soylent Green?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soylent_Green
The people in that movie of course know that they don't live in an utopian world right from the start. It is clearly dystopian. But still the average citizens in that movie don't know that they are all cannibals, which makes their society worse than they think it is.
I hope you see what I mean. Just because the average citizen might be unaware that their society is rotten at its core, doesn't make it anything less rotten.
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From what I have seen I think they may realise that they are better off going with a Pike/Enterprise instead, especially after seeing the first episode of season 2, it could work.
The real issue in the way of that is how long they want Pike on the Discovery for, will it be all of season 2, part of it or will he be sticking around into season 3.
It wouldn't have surprised me to see MU Georgiou commanding the Discovery in the end with Pike going back to the Enterprise with Spock, very unlikely I know but Saru had better watch out if they do om nom nom.
I do wonder if MU Georgiou and S31 is enough to have an entire show to itself.
What? Okay, that sucks.
During DS9 in the prime universe perhaps, but in the Discovery time period and universe that doesn't seem to be the case. S31 openly moves around the Discovery with their own identifying insignia.
If they are a official part of Starfleet's organization, then they're not "super secret."
Thank god. Hopefully it never sees the light of day. We don't need a show about the redemption of space Hitler.
We don't have the full story yet. The Super secret illegal stuff that most people would condemn might not be public knowelege or sanctioned by Starfleet/Federation.
They could have a normal public facing intelligence side that answers to the government, and then do the shady stuff in the background with no-one knowing.
No
https://trekmovie.com/2019/01/18/in...iou-at-star-trek-discovery-season-2-premiere/
You’ve said that you want each Star Trek show to be unique. But is there going to be any sort of common theme or anything that unites them all or is similar in all of them?
Kurtzman: Great storytelling is my hope, that the standard is great storytelling … that when you look at these shows, you know that that’s what you can expect. But if you’re asking me what is the Trek theme: optimism and hope. Above all. I think that was the core of Roddenberry’s vision and something that we all strive for. It doesn’t mean you can’t go into darker places. But it does mean that at the end of the day, that is the ideal that has to be held on to, and restored, and all of our shows are dealing with that in one way or another.
So when it comes to the Section 31 show, which is the darker place, is that going to be a limited series or ongoing?
Kurtzman and Kadin: It’ll be an ongoing series.
Kadin: And really, I think that we’ve all loved about Michelle Yeoh in this role, is, it’s not dark at all, and there’s something so delicious about it, and delicious about her relishing being in that part. So, our plan, it shouldn’t be dark at all, I think that we’re going to have a lot of fun with it.
You’ve said that you want each Star Trek show to be unique. But is there going to be any sort of common theme or anything that unites them all or is similar in all of them?
Kurtzman: Great storytelling is my hope, that the standard is great storytelling … that when you look at these shows, you know that that’s what you can expect. But if you’re asking me what is the Trek theme: optimism and hope. Above all. I think that was the core of Roddenberry’s vision and something that we all strive for. It doesn’t mean you can’t go into darker places. But it does mean that at the end of the day, that is the ideal that has to be held on to, and restored, and all of our shows are dealing with that in one way or another.
So when it comes to the Section 31 show, which is the darker place, is that going to be a limited series or ongoing?
Kurtzman and Kadin: It’ll be an ongoing series.
Kadin: And really, I think that we’ve all loved about Michelle Yeoh in this role, is, it’s not dark at all, and there’s something so delicious about it, and delicious about her relishing being in that part. So, our plan, it shouldn’t be dark at all, I think that we’re going to have a lot of fun with it.
It's not a utopian future. It's a post scarcity optimistic future. But, humanity still has negative aspects to it. Starfleet is replete with examples of less than utopian ideals.
Now, I agree that Georgiou from the MU will be difficult to fit in to such an idea but it still has possibility.
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