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News Georgiou Section 31 Series officially announced:

I'll let the Enterprise crew do the talking for me. The relevant section in a transcript from "Space Seed"...

Kirk: Name, Khan, as we know him today. (Spock changes the picture) Name, Khan Noonien Singh.

Spock: From 1992 through 1996, absolute ruler of more than a quarter of your world. From Asia through the Middle East.

McCoy: The last of the tyrants to be overthrown.

Scotty: I must confess, gentlemen. I've always held a sneaking admiration for this one.

Kirk: He was the best of the tyrants and the most dangerous. They were supermen, in a sense. Stronger, braver, certainly more ambitious, more daring.

Spock: Gentlemen, this romanticism about a ruthless dictator is

Kirk: Mister Spock, we humans have a streak of barbarism in us. Appalling, but there, nevertheless.

Scotty: There were no massacres under his rule.

Spock: And as little freedom.

McCoy: No wars until he was attacked.

Spock: Gentlemen.

KIRK: Mister Spock, you misunderstand us. We can be against him and admire him all at the same time.

Spock: Illogical.

Kirk: Totally.

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Ignore the specific details and look at the line that I bolded. That basically sums up my thoughts about Mirror Georgiou. No one who watched The Sopranos identified with Tony Soprano. I don't identify with Heisenberg in Breaking Bad and Don Draper is a horrible person in Mad Men. I like those shows anyway. Mad Men in particular is my favorite show of all-time. Period. Sorry Star Trek. Then there's Oz and Orange Is the New Black which are shows set in prisons where everyone's a criminal. Those are two favorites of mine as well. People know not to disturb me when a new season of OITNB is out. Pulp Fiction and Fargo are two of the most messed up movies ever, and no one is an angel or even close. Still two favorite movies of mine.

Bottom line: I don't need the protagonists of every series I watch to be virtuous. "But it's a Star Trek series!" Yeah, I know it is. But this is definitely not CBS All Access's flagship Star Trek series. That seems to be pretty firmly Discovery. The Georgiou Series is purely "spin-off of a spin-off". It's definitely not alien-of-the-week, mystery-of-the-week, or anything like that. It's a different genre that's being tried out while they spread out their wings. Like I said, it's not going to be for everyone. But it might be for people who like sci-fi spy series. There are probably movies out there like it, but doing something like this in TV form doesn't hurt either. If it doesn't work, it doesn't work, and they'll replace it with some other spin-off. Simple. Meanwhile, for anyone who doesn't like Section 31, look at it this way: maybe all the Section 31 stories the writers want to tell will be diverted into this series and, if you don't watch it, you won't see it in the Trek series you do watch because they'll all be in the Section 31 series instead.

And this is my opening to say, I really enjoyed DS9's first two entries into Section 31: "Inquisition" where they're introduced, and "Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges" where we see them in their element. The less said about "Extreme Measures", the better. So, here's hoping they look towards "Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges" for inspiration.
 
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I don't see anything in what little we know about this Section 31 series that is inconsistent with ENT, TOS, DS9, and VGR; the only thing that it is inconsistent with is TNG, which is itself inconsistent with all of those other series and is also extremely revisionist.

Star Trek was not supposed to be about a utopian society where everything and everyone is perfect; Roddenberry tried to rewrite history in order to make that claim after-the-fact, and people just went along with the "lie".
 
Star Trek was not supposed to be about a utopian society where everything and everyone is perfect;

Of course it's not.

As was pointed out many times, Star Trek is about leftist/socialist/communist cashless society - as Hollywood's Limousine Liberals understand it.

Thus,
Federation = Soviet Union/ Eastern Bloc in Space;
Section 31 = KGB and SMERSH combined.

And the real world socialist utopias give us such a beautiful examples of human beings like Josef Stalin, Mao Zedong, Kim Il-sung and the best of them - Pol Pot of Cambodia.

And now Empress Philippa Georgiou. Relatively nice girl, if you ask me.

After all, socialist society plus genocidal dictator = perfect marriage.

/s
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P.S.

By the way, I am huge fan of both Michelle Yeoh (since the good old days of 'Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon' and 'Tomorrow Never Dies') and Mirror Universe stories. And I already don't like this show.
 
I have no problem with this concept whatsoever. It's possible, but unlikely, that it might siphon some of the darkness from Discovery.

I'm a fan of Xena, so apart of me would love it if this was a redemption story for someone we've only seen as a bloodthirsty psychopath with no redeeming qualities. If she turns against S31 and starts undermining them, that would be brilliant.

On the other hand, they could go the stereotypical route of S31 being "good guys" who do bad but necessary things, and I would still be happy. The 23rd century isn't perfect, and this is a good way to show the nitty gritty. Have some members promote an optimistic future, have discussions on doing the "right thing" amongst the action/adventure a la Discovery Season 1, and their mission will be fulfilled. Georgiou could be the bad guy, she can help transform a noble CIA into the shadowy Tal Shiar wannabes from DS9 and we get to watch our heroes (non-Georgiou agents) try to stop it or at least delay the inevitable.
 
It's Section 31 vs. the Tal Shiar, a la, spy vs. spy, MI6 vs. SPECTER, UNCLE vs. THRUSH, CONTROL vs. KAOS, ICE vs. BIG O, ZOWIE vs. whatever, Austin Power vs. Dr. Evil, etc. I hope they don't throw in a lot of time travel and maintaining the time line stuff. I'm already confused with just the Abrams' reboot. :crazy:

forgot SHIELD vs. HYDRA.
 
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Another thing, whether she's good or bad or just the one with a gun, this show needs flashbacks. Maybe that's just the Xena fan in me again, but I want to see young Georgiou dealing with MU problems, working her way up the ladder, taking over an interstellar empire.

Have her meet someone who was an ex-lover that she killed in the other universe. Make her go over plans for attacking a fortress using techniques that she ponders over fondly.
 
Of course it's not.

As was pointed out many times, Star Trek is about leftist/socialist/communist cashless society - as Hollywood's Limousine Liberals understand it.

Thus,
Federation = Soviet Union/ Eastern Bloc in Space;
Section 31 = KGB and SMERSH combined.

And the real world socialist utopias give us such a beautiful examples of human beings like Josef Stalin, Mao Zedong, Kim Il-sung and the best of them - Pol Pot of Cambodia.

And now Empress Philippa Georgiou. Relatively nice girl, if you ask me.

After all, socialist society plus genocidal dictator = perfect marriage.

/s
/s
/s

P.S.

By the way, I am huge fan of both Michelle Yeoh (since the good old days of 'Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon' and 'Tomorrow Never Dies') and Mirror Universe stories. And I already don't like this show.

capitalism is no angel, here https://maoistrebelnews.com/2010/12/30/capitalism-known-true-evil/ "1,559,657,267 Murdered in the Name of Profit"
 
Take this "announcement" with a grain of salt.

It was timed this way as a PR stunt used to build interest in STD S2.

Studios and networks do this all the time. Announce spinoffs and sequels as one of their franchise films or shows is about to debut, in order to show the franchise is worth investing in. More specifically that CBSAA is worth buying into.

Whether this spinoff will actually come to pass or not depends on how S2 is received.


Starting to get flashbacks to when Kurtzman and Universal announced the Monsters Universe..

Dark-Universe-dead1-700x300.jpg


And then the Mummy disappointed and everything got shelved.


Also to when the now cancelled Hemsworth/Pine ST4 was announced during the week of Star Trek Beyond's premiere.

https://variety.com/2016/film/news/paramount-fourth-star-trek-chris-pine-chris-hemsworth-1201816258/


Shady tactics, but par for the course from studios and networks in it for the money.
 
Take this "announcement" with a grain of salt.

It was timed this way as a PR stunt used to build interest in STD S2.

Studios and networks do this all the time. Announce spinoffs and sequels as one of their franchise films or shows is about to debut, in order to show the franchise is worth investing in. More specifically that CBSAA is worth buying into.

Whether this spinoff will actually come to pass or not depends on how S2 is received.


Starting to get flashbacks to when Kurtzman and Universal announced the Monsters Universe..

Dark-Universe-dead1-700x300.jpg


And then the Mummy disappointed and everything got shelved.


Also to when the now cancelled Hemsworth/Pine ST4 was announced during the week of Star Trek Beyond's premiere.

https://variety.com/2016/film/news/paramount-fourth-star-trek-chris-pine-chris-hemsworth-1201816258/


Shady tactics, but par for the course from studios and networks in it for the money.

That's not what's happening... and I'm pretty sure you know it.
 
Take this "announcement" with a grain of salt.

Shady tactics, but par for the course from studios and networks in it for the money.

Let’s hope you are right and lets hope that STD S2 is going to fail to end this shitty reboot franchise before people actually believe that this is Star Trek...
 
The idea that this is what "they" want to do as a spin-off is baffling to me - except for the fact that it's Michelle Yeoh, because, Michelle Yeoh.

I'm really fucking curious how the hell this is going to look like in action. It's baffling.
 
Take this "announcement" with a grain of salt.

It was timed this way as a PR stunt used to build interest in STD S2.

Studios and networks do this all the time. Announce spinoffs and sequels as one of their franchise films or shows is about to debut, in order to show the franchise is worth investing in. More specifically that CBSAA is worth buying into.

Whether this spinoff will actually come to pass or not depends on how S2 is received.


Starting to get flashbacks to when Kurtzman and Universal announced the Monsters Universe..

Dark-Universe-dead1-700x300.jpg


And then the Mummy disappointed and everything got shelved.


Also to when the now cancelled Hemsworth/Pine ST4 was announced during the week of Star Trek Beyond's premiere.

https://variety.com/2016/film/news/paramount-fourth-star-trek-chris-pine-chris-hemsworth-1201816258/


Shady tactics, but par for the course from studios and networks in it for the money.

First of all... TV works different than movies.

Second of all... if it were the case that they were trying to build buzz, they would have continued "leaking" that the show was in development (as some articles had been reporting for the last few weeks). However, now they've put out a press release and confirmed it officially.

It's also the 3rd additional Star Trek show officially announced. Is the Picard show and comedy animated show only there to provide buzz for Discovery too?
 
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