Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

[Gov Kodos]

The crowd that I usually go to movies with always want to stop at the bar and tip back a few before the movie. They never understand why I'm not thrilled to do so.

The beauty of Japan, you can buy beer in the theater. You can in Korea, too, but I haven't looked of late to see if they still do since age and plumbing has made that less fun. Unless, you want to roll out the cash for one of the high end specialty cinemas they have here in Seoul. There are places like Cine du Chef where you can have a multi-course meal with your movie. If you want to drop a grand or so, you can have the theater to yourself for your movie. The Koreans know how to do conspicuous consumption.

 

[theenglish]

There are some countries in Latin America where you can buy beer--but IIRC that is only for special VIP rooms that cost a little more for a ticket.

 

[Reverend]

Marvel rumored to be considering an "R" rating for Black Widow.

I would take that with serving of salt, but it is interesting to think about. Personally, I don't see what the point would be.

I doubt that simply because it's Disney and they probably want to keep the entirety of the MCU family friendly.

I think it's possible, if for no other reason than Logan & Deadpool managed to be both critically acclaimed and very profitable. Also, it's a little tricky (though by no means impossible) to make a proper Black Widow movie (especially one that deals with her origins) without things getting a little...messy. At least, not without watering down the material somewhat or picking a tone that just doesn't suit.

I still think it's more likely they'll try and keep it in the same family friendly bracket as the rest of the MCU movies, but I wouldn't be surprised if a more mature film is at least being contemplated.

 

[Anwar]

Plenty of parents ignored the big "R" rating on the poster and ads and took their kids to see Deadpool regardless.

 

[Marsden]

I think it's possible, if for no other reason than Logan & Deadpool managed to be both critically acclaimed and very profitable. Also, it's a little tricky (though by no means impossible) to make a proper Black Widow movie (especially one that deals with her origins) without things getting a little...messy. At least, not without watering down the material somewhat or picking a tone that just doesn't suit.

I still think it's more likely they'll try and keep it in the same family friendly bracket as the rest of the MCU movies, but I wouldn't be surprised if a more mature film is at least being contemplated.

I wonder if they are going to show any of the stuff Loki was talking about?

BW: I've got red in my ledger, I'd like to wipe it out.

Loki: Can you? Can you wipe out that much red? Dreykov's daughter, Sao Paulo, the hospital fire?

I always wondered if that was 3 different things or one? I could see Black Widow killing a bunch of people get an R, but then they could do it as a PG-13 with a lot of offscreen killing but the nature of assassinating actual people, including probably innocent people, seems a bit more "adult" than blasting pretend aliens.

 

[Ethros]

Female superhero movies are few and far between compared to male one. I highly doubt they will alienate a big chunk of their young female audience who are "inspired" by such films, but then can't even see it.
And after all that talk of Venom been R rated, and then it wasn't and made tonnes of money... it's not gonna happen.

 

[Christopher]

Female superhero movies are few and far between compared to male one. I highly doubt they will alienate a big chunk of their young female audience who are "inspired" by such films, but then can't even see it.

Well, then obviously what they need to do is put PG-rated Squirrel Girl and Ms. Marvel movies on the schedule, and maybe PG-13 She-Hulk and Wasp, to balance out the R-rated Black Widow. (Come to think of it, Sony's already making a Spider-Gwen animated movie, aren't they?)

 

[Turtletrekker]

Like the Star Wars shows, the Disney+ Marvel shows will have budgets of $100 million.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Damn. They're going to make sure those shows feel like the films themselves.

 

[theenglish]

I think it's possible, if for no other reason than Logan & Deadpool managed to be both critically acclaimed and very profitable. Also, it's a little tricky (though by no means impossible) to make a proper Black Widow movie (especially one that deals with her origins) without things getting a little...messy. At least, not without watering down the material somewhat or picking a tone that just doesn't suit.

I still think it's more likely they'll try and keep it in the same family friendly bracket as the rest of the MCU movies, but I wouldn't be surprised if a more mature film is at least being contemplated.

Agent Carter did a nice job setting a tone on a television show that could definitely work for a Black Widow movie.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Contrary to popular usage, a retcon isn't supposed to change anything. It's short for "retroactive continuity," meaning something revealed after the fact that fits smoothly into the continuity as if it were there all along. It may change our interpretation of a past event, but it's supposed to be consistent with previous continuity.

That's simply not so. Your prescriptive interpretation of the coined term isn't only contrary to popular usage, it's contrary to well-established senses of the term. Retcons needn't alter canonically established facts, but they most assuredly can, and there are many important examples when they do, such as those given in the Wikipedia article under Alteration and Subtraction.

 

[Reverend]

Agent Carter did a nice job setting a tone on a television show that could definitely work for a Black Widow movie.

That's a very particular type of spy story though, mostly jumping off from the same adventurous, swashbuckling spirit of those old 30's & 40's era matinee serials and sci-fi comics that 'The First Avenger' embraced.
It's a very specific tone and style for that era and type of storytelling and it just wouldn't work either in a modern setting, or in a late Cold War setting. This is exactly why the second Captain America movie switched gears into more of a modern political spy thriller mould.

So a 'Black Widow' movie would not just be able to borrow Agent Carter's playbook, it's have a lot more in common with the likes of the Bourne films, Leon, Hanna and their like.

Again, I very specifically said I don't think they will go the mature route, just that I'm sure it's being considered and might be the wiser approach to take.

 

[theenglish]

I was actually thinking specifically of the assassin training scenes regarding Agent Carter. It was tense and, too an extent, horrific while not being R rated. I should have been more specific. That said, a Winter Soldier style of movie, or Bourne for that matter, would work well for Black Widow. As far as plot though, I would like to see something more low key and personal. A personal quest rather than a save the world story.

 

[JD]

Don't worry. Hiddleston will make a surprise appearance where he reminisces about an Asgardian Saxaphone and oddly sports a beard

And the Disney+ rumor mill churns on and on and on. The latest character rumored to get the Disney+ treatment is none other than Lady Sif.

https://discussingfilm.wordpress.co...-tv-series-in-the-works-for-disney-exclusive/

So is Blindspot ending then? Or would this just be a miniseries Jaimie Alexander would do between seasons?

Marvel rumored to be considering an "R" rating for Black Widow.

I would take that with serving of salt, but it is interesting to think about. Personally, I don't see what the point would be.

I was thinking it would be weird to do an R-rated movie about a character introduced in more family friendly PG-13 movies, but then I remembered that we did get Logan. But that was also kind of off by itself, so it's not entirely the same situation, since a Black Widow movie would probably be more closely connected to MCU than Logan was to the earlier X-Men movies.

 

[Christopher]

But that was also kind of off by itself, so it's not entirely the same situation, since a Black Widow movie would probably be more closely connected to MCU than Logan was to the earlier X-Men movies.

Not necessarily. IIRC, there's been some talk of it being an origin story or a flashback to her assassin days.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Young Avengers?

https://mcuexchange.com/young-aveng...ZsJWymeozodOEOYIBSbBvQ7_60ZxH3_EXCNy621Ebde54

I actually have had had some thoughts on how such a thing could work in the MCU. And could shed light on some of the Disney+ rumors. Kate Bishop would be easy enough to establish. Patriot was almost in Black Panther. They've already cast of teenage Cassie Lang for Endgame.

As for the twins, while the magic / science of how Wanda and Vision had children in the comics is probably better avoided, suppose during the run of their Disney + show, they were to adopt a pair of enhanced / mutant twins named Tommy and Billy?

 

[Turtletrekker]

More rumors!

The Lady Sif show will feature the Enchantress and "a" Valkyrie.

https://www.cbcyt.com/home/2019/1/1...2kr02JBszVZtyXnjvrD06xO67___kHeqghKgmWcM9OGJs

 

[Turtletrekker]

Who an keep up with the Disney+ Marvel rumors? I actually first saw this on my feed a few days ago and thought that it was probably nonsense. However, I keep seeing it, so who knows? Keep salt shaker handy.

Apparently, the newest rumor is that Marvel wants to produce several X-Men related shows for the service. While I can see Marvel laying the groundwork for the X-Men movies on the streaming service, I'm gonna say that I doubt this just because the deal isn't completed yet.

With all of the rumors and announcements, I wonder if the service wants to be releasing new Marvel content on a regular (perhaps weekly?) basis, much like CBSAA wants to do with Star Trek.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

That second rumor begs the question of what will happen to The Gifted and Legion considering their X-Men ties (does Runaways have ties as well?). I'll be very disappointed if Legion was canceled, although only mildly disappointed for The Gifted even though it looks like it's beginning to right the ship. If Disney is planning to do a bunch of X-Men shows (which is great unto itself), does that doom The Gifted and Legion?

 

[Anwar]

That second rumor begs the question of what will happen to The Gifted and Legion considering their X-Men ties (does Runaways have ties as well?). I'll be very disappointed if Legion was canceled, although only mildly disappointed for The Gifted even though it looks like it's beginning to right the ship. If Disney is planning to do a bunch of X-Men shows (which is great unto itself), does that doom The Gifted and Legion?

Most likely it does, because the way the MCU does things is making sure all the products happen in the same one universe. That includes the TV series. Since there's no real way to fit the Gifted or Legion into the established MCU, they're going to be ended.

But isn't Legion supposed to end this year anyways? I thought the creator said he didn't want to keep it going past it's end point.

Runaways in the original version DID have ties to the X-Men with 1 member being a mutant, but that's been side-stepped. Same as how they made Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver not be mutants in the MCU.