Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by bbjeg, Apr 6, 2014.

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What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)

  1. A+

    16.4%
  2. A

    37.3%
  3. A-

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  4. B+

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  5. B

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  6. B-

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  7. C+

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  8. C

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  9. C-

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  10. D+

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  11. D

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  13. F

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  1. Alidar Jarok

    Alidar Jarok Everything in moderation but moderation Moderator

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    I mean, all these shows are already co-produced by Marvel television. I don't know if there's a reason to believe they'd go away if they're solely produced by Marvel.

    Once there is a Marvel X-Men movie, things might be different, though.
     
  2. Christopher

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    Runaways is MCU.


    The Spectacular Spider-Man was co-produced by Marvel Animation, but it still got cancelled when Marvel got back the full TV rights to Spidey animation and wanted to do their own in-house version instead.
     
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  4. Alidar Jarok

    Alidar Jarok Everything in moderation but moderation Moderator

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    That's a fair point. The only real difference is Sony still exists and might have to consent to/be a part of a continuation of the show. At least here, Disney owns Fox so there shouldn't be any contractual issues.
     
  5. Christopher

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    I'm not talking about contracts. Most creators or producers would rather do their own version of something than continue somebody else's. They have their own ideas about what kind of show they want to do, how they want to approach the characters and ideas, etc. And aside from creativity, sometimes when new people take charge of something, they want to mark their territory, to assert their control. There are many cases of movie and TV projects in development being cancelled when a new executive takes over, because that exec has their own ideas they want to pursue instead.
     
  6. Turtletrekker

    Turtletrekker Vice Admiral Admiral

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    As for The Gifted, if Fox chooses to renew it, I can't see Marvel saying no.
     
  7. JD

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    I've been wonder if they do Young Avengers if they might use Clint's daughter as their Hawkeye instead of Kate Bishop.
     
  8. The Nth Doctor

    The Nth Doctor Infinite Possibilities... Premium Member

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    I know that Noah Hawley doesn't want to run the show to the ground but I don't think I've heard anything about him wanting to end it after the third season. But I would prefer him to end it on his own terms than Disney deciding to axe it because it's not under their streaming service, cinematic universe, etc.
     
  9. theenglish

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    Legion is certainly one of the more original shows out there. I've not liked everything they've done, but it has always been unpredictable. I loved the Behind Blue Eyes sequence from last season. I don't know much about Legion from the comics, so a lot of stuff that happened in the second season took me by surprise. I've since read up on the character and I still don't know where the show is going.
     
  10. CorporalCaptain

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    As far as the X-stuff goes, I'm interested only in Legion, Cloak & Dagger, and Deadpool. Oh, I guess also Scarlet Witch in the MCU, who's totally awesome, if she counts. I have no interest in the X-Men films anymore, not even a little. I did thoroughly enjoy Logan, though.
     
  11. theenglish

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    Why are Cloak and Dagger X-Men? Was that established in the comics? And yes, I will go look that up now.
     
  12. grendelsbayne

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    They're not mutants. And never have been as far as I know. They did have some notable connections to the New Mutants team once upon a time, though. And later to the Runaways, as well. Their tv show is Freeform/ABC, so presumably nothing to do with Fox. I wouldn't describe them as X-Men, and Marvel apparently didn't sell them as X-Men, either.
     
  13. Christopher

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    As with a number of characters, Marvel has gone back and forth on whether Cloak & Dagger were mutants or not:

    https://www.cbr.com/cloak-and-dagger-mutants-after-all/

    And yes, as the article points out, they were treated as X-Men-affiliated characters for a time, though not X-Men themselves.

    But evidently they weren't considered mutants at the point that Fox got the license to Marvel's mutant characters, which is how the MCU was able to use them.
     
  14. JD

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    Anybody know if/when they're going to post Season 2 to Hulu? They have all of Season 1, but no Season 2 yet.
    I thought they got their powers from a drug or scientific experiment or something along those line? I'm to lazy to look them up to check right now.
     
  15. Turtletrekker

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    Cloak and Dagger were recruited for Norman Osborn's Dark Xmen team.

    Afterwards, they stayed with the X-Men for a while until it was confirmed that they weren't actually mutants. They were invited to stay, but chose to leave.
     
  16. Christopher

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    See my above link. In short, they got their powers from drugs, but it was later retconned that the drugs just activated their latent mutant abilities, and then more recently it was re-retconned back the other way.
     
  17. Alidar Jarok

    Alidar Jarok Everything in moderation but moderation Moderator

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    But your point about Spectacular Spider-Man only matters if it was cancelled for a change in creative direction as opposed to contractual reasons.
     
  18. Christopher

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    It can be both. The change in ownership is the cause of someone new taking over, but the effect is often that they cancel their predecessors' projects and replace them with their own projects.
     
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