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It was jarring, but no worse than how Sarek and Amanda were introduced out of the aether. Since we'd never met them before either. I was more annoyed at 78 decks on the ship.

Whereas if TNG had started retrospectively bolting-on weak connections it would have been obvious desperation. Data was built by Scotty! Picard is Spock's nephew! Riker shagged Saavik, his instructor at Academy! Guinan was Trelane's mother! Look how kewl and in-universe we are! Please keep watching!

I don't understand why it's wrong to do a series that is a true "prequel" to TOS, that wants to purposefully explore some of those characters and backstory. Everyone shit bricks about why it was not simply set in the "Post Nemesis" timeframe. The answer is because they WANTED to tell these stories that link to TOS.

That's not kewl / lazy. That's a creative choice. And, it's a choice I've argued for months that actually makes this series "unique" in the franchise (a franchise that, BTW, was desperate for some "unique"). Every other series did the "let's be our own thing" gig. We have 750 hours of that, with diminishing returns each time. I'm enjoying the fact that we now have a narrative that is tied to TOS, the backstory and characters.

I guess that sucks for people who aren't fans of TOS...but I have no sympathy. TOS got 3 seasons and 6 movies, and is the source material for everything that followed. Everyone else, except ENT, had more than their chance.
 
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It was jarring, but no worse than how Sarek and Amanda were introduced out of the aether. Since we'd never met them before either. I was more annoyed at 78 decks on the ship.

Whereas if TNG had started retrospectively bolting-on weak connections it would have been obvious desperation. Data was built by Scotty! Picard is Spock's nephew! Riker shagged Saavik, his instructor at Academy! Guinan was Trelane's mother! Look how kewl and in-universe we are! Please keep watching!
A prime example of SUS??
 
The reason DIS is set around the time of TOS is to emulate the success of the kelvinverse movies. Copying the style and characters of the jj movies is just lazy cashing in. The inclusion of Sarek and Pike in DIS are so that fair weather Star Trek fans can see characters they recognise from that era having never really watched TOS. If I were asked which characters I wanted to see fleshed out from the TOS era, It wouldn’t be Sarek or Pike....
 
The reason DIS is set around the time of TOS is to emulate the success of the kelvinverse movies.
Curious...do you have a source? Even if not...I don't see the problem with this. The Kelvinverse films were well-liked, well-designed, and considered relatively successful upgrades of a 50 year old property.

Copying the style and characters of the jj movies is just lazy cashing in.
Sorry, but no. Certainly no more "lazy and cashing in" than doing a Picard series or a Post-Nemesis series about the various galactic powers. You're just mad you didn't get what you wanted...but that doesn't automatically mean it's lazy or cashing in.

The inclusion of Sarek and Pike in DIS are so that fair weather Star Trek fans can see characters they recognise from that era having never really watched TOS.

I don't understand "fair weather Star Trek fans" as a reference. Makes absolutely no sense. If you meant "people who like TOS," I'd agree and I'm not sure why that is a problem. But I'm not sure I see the connection.

If I were asked which characters I wanted to see fleshed out from the TOS era, It wouldn’t be Sarek or Pike....
They must not have included you in their TrueFan Poll. Can't imagine why not. Maybe you should write them a strongly worded letter about what you'd like to see. I'm sure they'll give it all the consideration it is due.
 
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The reason DIS is set around the time of TOS is to emulate the success of the kelvinverse movies. Copying the style and characters of the jj movies is just lazy cashing in.

Really? Well, if that's the case, then how do explain people who like DSC but don't like the Abrams Films and vice versa? Clearly, we see a difference even if you don't.

I enjoyed the 2009 film as a summer blockbuster but that's the extent of how far it goes. Same with Beyond but to a slightly lesser degree. Into Darkness... I'm not a fan of that one. Not that I hate it but I thought it was ridiculous and when I'm trying hard not to laugh at scenes that are intended to be serious, we've got problems.

Bottom line, I wouldn't care if they didn't make another Abrams Film. But I wouldn't be too happy if they cancelled Discovery.

The inclusion of Sarek and Pike in DIS are so that fair weather Star Trek fans can see characters they recognise from that era having never really watched TOS. If I were asked which characters I wanted to see fleshed out from the TOS era, It wouldn’t be Sarek or Pike....

If you want fair-weather Star Trek fans, you're not going to bring out Sarek and Pike. You go for the gold with Spock. So, if you're going to level that argument, at least point it in the right direction. Sarek and Pike only appeared twice in TOS/TAS each. Sarek, if anything, got to do more in the movies. And Pike, at this point, is also better known from the movies.

As far as my favorite current characters on Discovery: They're Emperor Georgiou, Burnham, L'Rell, AshVoq, and Tilly. Lorca will be seriously missed but Georgiou is still my favorite. I can take or leave Saru.

Note that I haven't mentioned Sarek or Harry Mudd. Sarek, I'm dead-neutral on. He's not my favorite but there's nothing wrong with him. The only reason some of you have a such a mad hate-on for him is because "He's from TOS!!!!!!" Get over it. It's nothing DS9 hasn't done with TNG characters. So, once again, get the fuck over it! I'm saying that to ALL of you who won't stop going on and on and on about it.

Harry Mudd? I like him but he's not a favorite of mine either. He's what I'd expect him to be. So he wouldn't be a favorite character of mine no matter what. He's fun and that's it. Even people who don't like the show -- including some of the show's #1 haters -- like "Magic to Make the Sanest Man Go Mad".

But the way some of you go on, you'd think Harry Mudd and Sarek are the only characters that exist in DSC. You'd think Burnham's only purpose in life is to be Spock's retroactive foster-sister and not someone on a redemptive path trying to work her way back up to her original position and eventual command. You'd think she wasn't someone who has a professional rivalry with Saru, let down her mentor Captain Georgiou, had a friendship with Tilly, or a failed romance with Tyler. No. According some of you, she's nothing but Spock's Sister, Spock's Sister, Spock's Sister. We get it. We fucking heard all of you. That last part is all you see.

You know why a lot of you think there's so much focus on TOS characters and nothing new? Because you don't STOP talking about the TOS characters in DSC all the time! ALL THE TIME!!! You're the ones who are constantly saying "TOS This!" "TOS That!" Do any of you even once talk about the other characters in the show other than to say "Burnham's a Mary Sue! STD sucks!"?

There's more to the show than TOS characters, it's just that the bashers aren't interested in the characters who aren't from TOS, so it's easier to focus on the characters you're familiar with so you can bash them.
 
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The problem isn't that she is his adopted sister, the problem is that it (additional family members) has already been done across multiple media, and that it just hasn't been done very well so far.
For me it's Spock didn't need another mystery sibling we didn't know about. Sybok was enough.
 
I find it contrived. Why is it a good thing? Because reasons? :rolleyes:

Because I find further understanding and development of my favorite characters is entertaining and welcome. Because it perfectly fits with Spock's established character throughout Star Trek history as someone who constantly fails to reveal personal details.

Seems more reasonable than "because I find it contrived."
 
Because I find further understanding and development of my favorite characters is entertaining and welcome. Because it perfectly fits with Spock's established character throughout Star Trek history as someone who constantly fails to reveal personal details.

Seems more reasonable than "because I find it contrived."
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Are they saying Spock was logical and then he comes out of the Red Stuff all emotional after meeting the Red Angel? That seems like a good idea but if they are saying he has basically been a human most of his life even after joining Starfleet that doesn't feel like it really fits the character.


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The reason DIS is set around the time of TOS is to emulate the success of the kelvinverse movies. Copying the style and characters of the jj movies is just lazy cashing in.
Yeah, right. They're 'cashing in' on TOS about as much as they're 'cashing in' with 'Retired Picard' for the TNG fans. ;)

https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/“je...clipse-discovery.295357/page-78#post-12654903

Some might just call it "Using the Star Trek IP to get peolle to watch and make money..." like ALL Businesses (entertainment and otherwise do.

My point? Please explain why using existing TOS characters is more or less 'lazy' than using an existing TNG character to get viewers/subscribers?

At least ST: D has some new and interesting characters to complement the existing ones. What characters are we going to see in the new Picard series? His rest home Nurse perhaps? ;)
 
Here is a prediction for season 2: Spock, Sarek, and Pike will not die. No matter what kind of danger they may face they will survive.
 
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