Differences between the series and/or the movies:
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It probably has to do whether the clone has been 'born' yet.
^Additionally, one death happened on the Enterprise, while the other happened on DS9, which was operating within Bajoran space.
Under Star Fleet rules.
For all we know, the clones were minutes from being 'born'. Where do you draw the line between first-degree murder and "nothing"?
This is basically an abortion discussion. And I'm not sure it will end well.
Not entirely. Odo was a 'Bajoran' officer, not Starfleet, and Sisko gave him wide lattitude. He also deferred to Bajoran laws on various occasions (though sometimes he seemed to be inventing Bajoran laws to get around problems in Federation laws).
Not sure. Abortion issues are mostly about a woman's control over what happens inside her own body (which is why the father doesn't have a say in the matter), the clones were developing outside of anyone's body.
Discovery, episode one: Don't disagree with me on the bridge! It sends a bad message to the crew!
Star Trek (2009): Kirk and Spock literally have a fist fight on the bridge
Star Trek (2009): Kirk and Spock literally have a fist fight on the bridge
Quark never paid rent, which is obviously a Federation custom and not a Bajoran one, Bajorans on occasions, buy and sell things.
Not to mention, DS9:
Data:"Worf, stop questioning my decisions or I'll demote you and put someone else in your place."
That the Federation held the lease on Quark’s bar may have been tied to his original “community leader” agreement with Sisko rather than any overarching Federation laws. Sisko indicated several times that the Federation was a guest of Bajor. In general, guests don’t get to set the rules of the house.
Fair point. But it is still about what constitutes life, or person etc. The clones were probably in 'deactivated' state when they were growing, unlike a baby in the womb. They were never conscious. Thus no person was ended, only a possibility of a person.
When Quark's employees went on Strike, Odo was forbidden to intervene (regardless of how he felt about it). It seems the guests set some (if not most) of the rules in this case.
Another issue might be that Federation law specifies that cloning is a type of genetic engineering, which is illegal in the Federation.
In some states, abortion is legal, yet a person will be charged with two counts of murder if they kill a pregnant woman.
Sisko forbade Odo to intervene as long as no laws were being broken, not because Federation law took precedence in that situation.
The legality of cloning is a different issue from whether a clone has rights. A person could be the product of a rape, but you'll still be charged with murder if you kill that person, which is a good thing because it proves that we're not totally insane!!!
Federation law allows people to go on strike, it's not sure that Bajoran law does. Bajor seems like some kind of theocracy (even a brutal one at times), these regimes rarely give people the same kind of rights as democracies, (remember the caste thing!).
Because under the law in those states, a woman’s right to have an abortion doesn’t preclude the idea that a fetus is considered a person. It merely grants the woman the right to terminate her pregnancy.
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