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Will we see Augment Virus Klingons?
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I like the idea that the virus messes the Klingon species up so bad it takes them almost 200 years to fully resolve. Every attempt they make to fix the matter just mutates them into something equally odd, until they finally get back to normal around the TNG era. Maybe they went through stage after stage until the virus was cured and yes, no one wants to talk about it, including fans after awhile
The timeline:
Ent "I was a roadie for the Doobie Brothers" era Klingon
DISCO "two of everything, even nostril's for my nostrils" era Klingon
Kelvinated Klingon
TOS "I'll get you next time, Flash Gordon!" Klingon
Movie Era Klingon
Totally Canonical Lost Era Klingon
Klingon Klingon.
The timeline:
Ent "I was a roadie for the Doobie Brothers" era Klingon
DISCO "two of everything, even nostril's for my nostrils" era Klingon
Kelvinated Klingon
TOS "I'll get you next time, Flash Gordon!" Klingon
Movie Era Klingon
Totally Canonical Lost Era Klingon
Klingon Klingon.
^^ Yeah.. but no.
Why would the virus first only cause them to lose the ridges, then change them to a completely new species, to then again get back to being augments, then to slowly turn into TNG era klingons again?
That's one weird ass virus. The writers will never go for this timeline, the fans will reject it too. It's best to just drop it completely, it's so bad now, any attempt to fix it will make it even worse.
Why would the virus first only cause them to lose the ridges, then change them to a completely new species, to then again get back to being augments, then to slowly turn into TNG era klingons again?
That's one weird ass virus. The writers will never go for this timeline, the fans will reject it too. It's best to just drop it completely, it's so bad now, any attempt to fix it will make it even worse.
Billy Gibbons was in Star Trek?
He was now!
Ash Tyler / Voq
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L’Rell
= augment Klingon offspring
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L’Rell
= augment Klingon offspring
It's gotten so silly now, i think they should just avoid showing Klingons for a couple of decades. But they wont
Yeah. I'm pretty fucking sick and tired of Klinks.
Especially when Rommies are so much more interesting.
Especially when Rommies are so much more interesting.
Transklingonists.
This. I wish they had just done what I've seen others suggest, back on DS9's "Trials and Tribble-ations" - once they were in the past, do Michael Dorn in TOS Klingon style, and not have anyone say anything at all about it.
Will second that I'd love an in depth romulan story
Who doesn't like Hogan's Heroes?
But, I am tired of Klingons as well. I'll take any aliens over them, except the Borg.
I was gonna say, be careful what you wish for
Yep, congrats for STD for ruining the Klingons after Voyager ruined Borg. What else are they going to ruin next? The Enterprise?
Nope, I'm pretty sure that in the Discovery version of the Trek universe, "Affliction"/"Divergence" didn't happen - otherwise Voq went through horrific surgery when a single injection would have done the job. It's really weird, since they've made direct references to "Broken Bow" and "In a Mirror, Darkly", but whatever.
They did the surgery so he could pass as Human. The Augment virus probably would have still showed him as Klingon on scanners.
They should have used protection.
Thank god they didn't.
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Debatable. I'm more interested in the Klingons in Discovery than I ever was in TNG. I think the peeked for me in TUC, with small blips along the way.
Even Lorca's tribble was fooled
Lorca's tribble was NEVER used! It was never in the same room as Voq/Tyler! One of the biggest issues I had with STD season 1. If they had just a single scene with the tribble and Tyler and the tribble chirped slightly louder than usual, even if no one realized why it was doing it, it would have raised my score for STD from 4/10 to 5/10 for the whole season.
Yup. Different ways of altering the Klingon appearance have different results, but most fail to fool hero scanners.
- "Arne Darvin" was credited with surgical alteration, but his biosigns were Klingon when McCoy waved a tricorder.
- "Ash Tyler" was credited with surgical alteration but with recycling of genuine human body parts, which apparently nicely provided the correct human biosigns. We just don't know which parts, how, and why - that is, whose brain was it, and why would a Klingon brain fail to raise flags on scanners?
- The human-looking Augments raiding NX-01 were internally Klingon to Phlox' scanners, even when the inexpert T'Pol is running those.
- Relating to that mess, Doctor Antaak somehow disguised himself as a Mazarite for a medical conference, suggesting what he did would pass muster even in a place where 22nd century experts may have been randomly waving all sorts of scanners. Or then they might not have.
That's four different methods so far, all involving the Klingons trying to be clever. Apparently, their "the body is just a shell" ethos makes it easy for them to do this, there being little dishonor in disfiguration. A religious sect might well do it Just Because - but, more importantly, any arbitrary group up to all-Klingondom size might do it over and over again, Because Fashion. And because rewriting the past comes naturally to the Klingons, too.
Timo Saloniemi
I find it amusing that DS9 gets brought up a lot as an "explanation" along with the ENT two-parter, when no explanation was ever offered in that episode. All it did was acknowledge they look different in TOS and when Miles and Julian ask what happened Worf cut them off, as if the writers are telling us IT DOESN'T MATTER. Because it really didn't. Trek moved on from that point never delving further into what Worf didn't want to talk about, until Manny Coto decided otherwise a decade later.
I think Trek went along fine without having to "explain" the make-up change. I don't want Trek to go back to human looking Klingons just because a TV show from the 1960s didn't have a budget to do more elaborate make up on them. TMP's approach of "they always looked like this" was fine enough for me. I don't take Trek so seriously enough to nitpick visual discontinuities. Like, why does Worf's forehead change throughout the years? I don't really care.
I think Trek went along fine without having to "explain" the make-up change. I don't want Trek to go back to human looking Klingons just because a TV show from the 1960s didn't have a budget to do more elaborate make up on them. TMP's approach of "they always looked like this" was fine enough for me. I don't take Trek so seriously enough to nitpick visual discontinuities. Like, why does Worf's forehead change throughout the years? I don't really care.
Then again, going back to things done for budgetary reasons and sticking with them is the bread and butter of Trek. We really shouldn't have the cheap "transporter" gimmick now that we can afford proper shuttles, nor those "phaser" rayguns when we can do real futuro-bullets. But Trek is defined by its cheap 1960s looks, and really loses all identity if ditching those.
Is identity-free Trek good for the soul? No reason it couldn't have good storytelling. But it wouldn't be a franchise any longer, probably wouldn't warrant Netflix special treatment, and certainly wouldn't be a flagship product for a new network'oid. In order to sell as Trek, it needs Kirk, Klingons, the Enterprise, phasers and transporters. Which thus appear in all the spinoffs one way or another, sooner or later. And that takes some gimmicky writing, considering the timespans involved (fictional centuries, real decades)!
Timo Saloniemi
Is identity-free Trek good for the soul? No reason it couldn't have good storytelling. But it wouldn't be a franchise any longer, probably wouldn't warrant Netflix special treatment, and certainly wouldn't be a flagship product for a new network'oid. In order to sell as Trek, it needs Kirk, Klingons, the Enterprise, phasers and transporters. Which thus appear in all the spinoffs one way or another, sooner or later. And that takes some gimmicky writing, considering the timespans involved (fictional centuries, real decades)!
Timo Saloniemi
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