And neither is the way the Enterprise looked in TOS, what's your point?Books aren't canon, as every likes to keep retorting here.
But Discovery herself is 750m, which makes the Kelvinprise about norm for Trek ships in 2018.The Discoprise is about 480m, a good bit less than her 720m Kelvinprise counterpart.
Some of us are more accustomed to.... ahem... measuring.... than others.Just wondering, where do all these sizes come from anyway? I'm pretty sure I watched all of Trek I never had any sense of how big anything was supposed to be.
Okay, but that's all non-canon when it comes down to it (as seems to be the only size of the Discovery I could find, from the Eaglemoss Starship collection.) Since the Discovery and the Enterprise seemed to be the same size on-screen (although admittedly we haven't had a good comparison shot yet) it seems more logical to me to assume that they are roughly the same size instead of the Discovery being twice as big as the Enterprise, based on some non-canon sources.Blueprints, technical manuals, Encyclopedias and whatnot from 1975-present. Here's the updated Ency from last year:
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Okay, but that's all non-canon when it comes down to it (as seems to be the only size of the Discovery I could find, from the Eaglemoss Starship collection.) Since the Discovery and the Enterprise seemed to be the same size on-screen (although admittedly we haven't had a good comparison shot yet) it seems more logical to me to assume that they are roughly the same size instead of the Discovery being twice as big as the Enterprise, based on some non-canon sources.
It ain't big until it measures up to the Death Star!Assuming the central saucer is of a size...disco would be longer at the least. ‘Big’ is always a funny one with starships.
The Disco Enterprise size comes from the proposed sizes and scales of the model kits that Round 2 is working on. I suspect they will have access to some the source material that the producers are working with.Okay, but that's all non-canon when it comes down to it (as seems to be the only size of the Discovery I could find, from the Eaglemoss Starship collection.) Since the Discovery and the Enterprise seemed to be the same size on-screen (although admittedly we haven't had a good comparison shot yet) it seems more logical to me to assume that they are roughly the same size instead of the Discovery being twice as big as the Enterprise, based on some non-canon sources.
"I am not a crook!"
"I did not have sexual relations with that woman!"
"There's no collusion!"
"The Kelvin Enterprise is the same size as the Original!"
Hmmmm. One of these scandals doesn't fit. I think I'll go with the last one.
It ain't big until it measures up to the Death Star!
*IsikIf I had a quid for every time....
Since those items are not canon then yes they can be changed.Yeah it's not like Paramount/CBS spent 5 decades selling us stuff with those sizes written on it, or scaled CG models to those sizes in ENT and TOS-R.
Indeed. Unlike the Kelvin Enterprise size scandal.
Scandelous. How dare Starfleet upsize to face down a gigantic starship from a Romulan threat.
Ridiculous.![]()
Their numbers come from CBS.based on some non-canon sources.
I guess it's the way they're doing it. Viewed as a reboot, there's no issue whatsoever. It's a new Enterprise with it's own rules just like the Kelvin version. It's just the silly "it's the prime universe!" thing where this overwrites all that came before and everything you knew was wrong. Trek is doing it's own legacy a disservice.Since those items are not canon then yes they can be changed.
Still a question of how it impacts enjoymentI love starships and beautiful visuals and tech manuals and the like, but there is no need for one size to be the be all end of a starship.
Agree to disagree. I see the details being overwritten, not the legacy itself. If the legacy is in the size of the starship and not in the characters of the show, then I see that as being wrong. That's like saying Tolkien's greatest contribution to the literary and fantasy world is the map of Middle Earth he drew.I guess it's the way they're doing it. Viewed as a reboot, there's no issue whatsoever. It's a new Enterprise with it's own rules just like the Kelvin version. It's just the silly "it's the prime universe!" thing where this overwrites all that came before and everything you knew was wrong. Trek is doing it's own legacy a disservice.
Agree to disagree. I see the details being overwritten, not the legacy itself. If the legacy is in the size of the starship and not in the characters of the show, then I see that as being wrong. That's like saying Tolkien's greatest contribution to the literary and fantasy world is the map of Middle Earth he drew.
To add in more details or make sense of the geography? I believe so. The larger details and structures remain.Has anyone ever redrawn that map, in all the adaptations done over the years?
To add in more details or make sense of the geography? I believe so. The larger details and structures remain.
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