I'd rather you change your last name, volunteer to be the first human to be shot to Alpha Centauri, arrive in about a thousand years, be totally devestated as some asshole named Harkov discovered how to make FTL ships reality some hundres years ago, you realise that all you ever wanted was totally redundant and you will be looked upon as a joke and a relict from a time long gone by, find new purpose by fighting evil reptillian alien invaders and have a mental breakdown once the fight is one, because you can't enjoy this major victory as your life returns to its hollow roots and you can't experience any form of physical pleasure since your body is wrapped in a copper suit that made the 1k years journey even possible and if you get rid of it you'd crumble to dust.I'll film myself prowling around topless and saying "bub" a lot with sideburns if it makes you happy?
A total yep, to what you and @Steven P Bastien are saying.Oh dear, your post really made me laugh. Oh yes, Luke was raised well-fed and cared for, and his biggest problems included not getting to go to Toshi Station to meet his friends after dinner. Rey was lucky to have dinner once a week. When Luke was playing with his toys, and her same age Rey was exploring ruined star ships on her own, probably having to fight off would-be attackers and rival scavengers and everything, so it totally makes sense she'd have more skills than he would, yet he really did seem to learn really quickly. But it's like I've been saying, it seems it's okay when a man does it, but outrageous when a woman shows her skills.
Oh dear @Jinn you totally know Wolverine aspires to play @Spot261, not the other way around!
Right.We saw her as a scavenger having to identify parts to sell for food. Clearly she needs to pick out good bits and not scrap metal. The idea that she needs to know how they work in basic terms can be extrapolated from that.
Why is explaining this even necessary? Was it necessary to explain how Luke could learn to fly a T-16? Why can't we just take it in stride, like Maz, and say: "A good question, for another time."? Expect tie-ins and other spin-offs to address this; Forces of Destiny has shown us a few adventures from Rey's life as a scavenger. It's not too tall an order to accept that successful scavengers on Jakku who've been doing that for over a decade learn some skills along the way, including fighting skills. The way she handles herself itself is evidence that she's not only in great shape but has also been in fights before.The fighting and flying not so much. She scares off some Jawas who are trying to pick up BB-8 and knocks over Finn is the extent we see and or hear of her use with it. Could we not have had a refrence to her being trained by someone or her helping out on low level cargo runs for the fat guy?
The way she handles herself itself is evidence that she's not only in great shape but has also been in fights before.
I'd rather you change your last name, volunteer to be the first human to be shot to Alpha Centauri, arrive in about a thousand years, be totally devestated as some asshole named Harkov discovered how to make FTL ships reality some hundres years ago, you realise that all you ever wanted was totally redundant and you will be looked upon as a joke and a relict from a time long gone by, find new purpose by fighting evil reptillian alien invaders and have a mental breakdown once the fight is one, because you can't enjoy this major victory as your life returns to its hollow roots and you can't experience any form of physical pleasure since your body is wrapped in a copper suit that made the 1k years journey even possible and if you get rid of it you'd crumble to dust.
What I'm saying is, never ever undress, okay?
And Vance Astro is way cooler than Wolverine![]()
GURLS CANT FIGHT!!! THEY JUST SPREAD COOTIES ALL OVER MAN STUFF!!!
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The term 'Mary Sue' has taken on meaning beyond the original characterisation. Language and social application does that. Quite an interesting explanation is in Wiki (especially interesting for Star Trek fans) about the origins but also the development of the phrase.I keep seeing people say that Mary Sue is a term only thrown at female characters. I want to say that when I was a wee nerdling and first heard this term the go to example everyone used to explain it was Wes Crusher from early tng. Since then we've had lots of people complaining that Wolverine is a mary sue in the comics(I think they dialled him back before he died) also Bond is another one that I hear a bit depending on which movie/ actor/ era you're talking about.
Also people are saying that she can't be a mary sue because she isn't a direct representation of JJ in TFA. Okay so she doesn't check every box on the list but if enough of them are crossed off it seems more prudent to just label her as such for sake of pedanticism.
The situation with Rey is she reached a level of achievement better than Han and Kylo in one movie.I think this is the problem. Luke claims to be a good pilot and then is backed up by an independent witness (okay his buddy from back home, not exactly impartial I know) Rey is just kind of a blank slate. Also other than the flying Luke doesn't really accomplish much in the first two movies. As you say he can't handle the San person nor the guy at the bar. Barely escapes the Yeti on Hoth. He is constantly carried by the team until he levels up. The only thing Rey doesn't do by herself in the first movie is blow up the base and that's probably because Poe got there first.
The situation with Rey is she reached a level of achievement better than Han and Kylo in one movie.
Why did she even bother tracking Luke down? He had nothing to give her, she didn't need it she was already the bestest Jedi like ... eva. Like Make Jedis Great Again. She should have a little red cap with her picture on it![]()
I think throughout Force Awakens seeing Rey fly the Millennium Falcon was impressive. Kicking arse? Yeah whatever. Beating Kylo - ridiculous. That is not because she is female either but because she was so new to the Force and she owned him. Flick of the pen.I think you are making sense and different people are going to have different points of view. But, again I think the issue is more with Kylo than with Rey. Their fight is not the only place where Kylo is shown to be relatively weak. I think it can all be justified or explained away, but he seems like the high-school nerd getting berated by a teacher, a football player and the pretty girl that sits in front of him. It's not clear how he jumps from "punching bag" to "supreme-leader" so fast.
Anyway, there is more than one way to criticize some of the happenings. Certainly, it's not flawless.
That is not because she is female either but because she was so new to the Force and she owned him.
We must have seen different movies.![]()
Never mind that he was bleeding from a blast due to a weapon that we had earlier seen completely blow back a stormtrooper.I think throughout Force Awakens seeing Rey fly the Millennium Falcon was impressive. Kicking arse? Yeah whatever. Beating Kylo - ridiculous. That is not because she is female either but because she was so new to the Force and she owned him. Flick of the pen.
The situation with Rey is she reached a level of achievement better than Han and Kylo in one movie.
Why did she even bother tracking Luke down? He had nothing to give her, she didn't need it she was already the bestest Jedi like ... eva. Like Make Jedis Great Again. She should have a little red cap with her picture on it![]()
He should have been able to beat her with one hand tied behind his back. Or rather one hand chopped off as is the theme with Star Wars.My problem with her as a fighter isn't her taking down some thug or rival scavenger it's taking down your main villain in a fight.
He was set up in the movie to be like mini Darth. Did she even get a scratch? I think she worked up a little sweat in the snow.Never mind that he was bleeding from a blast due to a weapon that we had earlier seen completely blow back a stormtrooper.
Yeah, she completely owned him is overstating it, at best.
He was badly injured by a blast that would kill a lesser man and emotionally compromised, it wasn't a fair fight. He also wan't fully trained according to Snoke.He should have been able to beat her with one hand tied behind his back. Or rather one hand chopped off as is the theme with Star Wars.
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