Disney Scraps Plans For Further Star Wars Storys

[ALF]

Anakin = Born a slave, must choose to leave mother behind.
Luke = Grows up festering on a backwater, parents murdered violently
Rey = Abandoned by parents*

* = With Rey, I think it's important to point out that we don't have her full story yet so it's difficult to have the complete picture of her, as we do with Anakin and Luke. I am referring to Rey "being nobody" vs "being somebody." I would accept that she's nobody expect we have this other full feature coming out. Wait until Dec. 2019 and chances are that will resolve most everything.

I always figured Rey was quick to learn The Force because she was very into the story of the Luke Skywalker legend. Knowing the main beats of this story, I assumed this gave her the initiation to take control of the Force. Does anyone know via the books, comics etc. how Rey came to know the details of this legend? Just being on Jakku?

For example: the "You will leave this scene with the door open... and you'll drop your weapon." This scene was, I thought, a throwback to the not-the-droids scene at the Mos Eisley spaceport. If part of the Luke legend involves "tricking stormtroopers" using only your mental discipline.... why not give it a try? We even see Rey change her approach - she concentrates and relaxes a bit the final, successful time she tricks the guard on Starkiller Base.

 

[Spot261]

Reading this thread, to me much complaint about her really seems to be thinly veiled outrage that a female could accomplish these things she does. So what if she caught on to the force faster than Luke? Why can't she? Luke got it really super quick with nearly no training, but no one complained .. only real difference is he has man parts.

That's exactly what it is, people just don't want to admit it to themselves so they create convoluted arguments to justify their positions after the fact and split the tiniest hairs to distinguish between Luke and Rey whilst missing the point both were prodigies to the nth degree, orders of magnitude more adept in the force than anyone else.

Well really that's what it's supposed to be, right? Star Wars has always been a metaphor the women's movement, that's why even in the first movie Leia is the leader and driving things. Men are helping of course, but the Empire has always represented the Patriarchy and violent seizure of power at the expense of women and minorities.

Imagine if in the good old days they'd made a Star Wars film where the villains were a monochomatic bunch, uniformly white and male, clad in crisp white armour or wearing nazi esque uniforms, expressing disgust and having to work with aliens (the "scum of the galaxy") and crushing a galaxy rich with a diverse range of lifeforms in all shapes and colours whilst a ragtag bunch of multicoloured, multi specied and mixed gender heroes with a female in charge fought back.

That'd never sell surely?

Force Awakens - Female lead, financial & critical success
Rogue One - Female lead, financial & critical success
Last Jedi - Female lead, financial & critical success
Solo - White male lead, financial disaster

What could be more simple?

Rey's had one of the most tragic things happen to her that could happen to a person: she learned her parents never cared about her and just discarded her.

Well, he found the people who raised him turned crispy fried. That is pretty awful.

I can't compare, I've only had the first one happen to me, but it is pretty life changing to find you were abandoned. yeah.

The idea this girl who has lived her life scavenging to survive on a hostile and barren planet full of people happy to kill her and discovered she was abandoned, discovered her only friend had been lying to her about his identity then watched not one but two surrogate father figures die in quick succession has no tragedy in her life seems pretty strange to me.

As a standalone film, which in 1977 was all that Star Wars really was, it doesn't need all of the why. It just needs to be. I feel like an important message in the ST, and all of Disney's Star Wars is that the Force just needs to be. Which is why we now have different people who can access the Force in different ways, but aren't Jedi. It makes what may have become a little over-explained simplified again. At the same time, we’re given more stuff: Force Skype, The World Between Worlds from Rebels, many other things.

That’s why I really do like what Disney is doing with Star Wars. There’s something for everyone. If you’re open to it.

Absolutely.

I do feel just because other people have misused a term doesn't mean it's valid? A Mary Sue is where you insert an idealized version of yourself into your story, and I've heard people talk about that with Gene and Wesley, and that really could be the case if he tried to make Wesley a perfect version of himself and imagined Wesley was him, then yes that'd fit what that is, right?

I keep seeing people say that Mary Sue is a term only thrown at female characters. I want to say that when I was a wee nerdling and first heard this term the go to example everyone used to explain it was Wes Crusher from early tng.

Yeah, I mean, if a Mary Sue is only a self-insert for the author, why don't we just call characters "author self-inserts". I mean, granted, it's one word longer, but it is also a lot less... controversial and usually gets the point actoss without the danger of getting into misogynistic territory.

I'm really curious how prevalent the term would still be if the source character had been male. It seems people have focused in on the gender of the original Mary Sue character at the expense of the point, why she was important and earned her own trope.

I don't know anything about comic books so I really can't comment on Wolverine, but if those writers are making Wolverine like themselves but perfect then yes that could be an example. But really Rey doesn't fit at all, and it's totally an incorrect term, and it really seems here most people are using "Mary Sue" to mean "overachieving female".

I think it would be a pretty delusional comic book writer who used Wolverine as a self insert

 

[Trekkin]

I think it would be a pretty delusional comic book writer who used Wolverine as a self insert

Funny enough, a lot of Mary Sue’s tended to die at the end of their stories. And have a history of horrifying rape.

It’s because people weren’t really fantasising about those actual acts per se. That was all just a stepping stone to the ‘hurt/comfort’, and ‘survivor’ upgrade, and the big funeral where everyone waxed poetic over them and their sacrifice literally saved the world.

Wolverine was originally liked by fanboys because he was both tough and a ‘rebel’ (typically to straight arrows like Scott.) When you’re 12, that appeals. Even if it did result from terrible abuse, and usually bit him in the ass.

Comics have a bit of an issue, in that we’ve now reached the point where those kids are now writing them. Still wouldn’t call him a Mary Sue though. It’s just iffy writing.

 

[Greg Cox]

I think it would be a pretty delusional comic book writer who used Wolverine as a self insert

I once met a guy who was convinced that he had the god-given right to write and market his own WOLVERINE novels because he "understood" the character better than Marvel.

Not sure what reminded me of him . . .

Meanwhile, anybody else getting a MISERY vibe from this whole thing? "You ruined my favorite series so I'm going to force you to rewrite it MY way!"

 

[Spot261]

I once met a guy who was convinced that he had the god-given right to write and market his own WOLVERINE novels because he "understood" the character better than Marvel.

Not sure what reminded me of him . . .

My hairy chest and physique obviously

 

[Jinn]

My hairy chest and physique obviously

Is your height 5'3? That's the most important requirement, I hear.

 

[Campe]

I feel as though I'm missing completely unimportant expository backstory.... like with Snoke!

 

[Spot261]

Is your height 5'3? That's the most important requirement, I hear.

Err, not really no, but I do have adamantium claws

 

[Jinn]

Err, not really no, but I do have adamantium claws

Well, that's something, I guess. You could maybe play Hugh Jackman playing Wolverine.

 

[Spot261]

Well, that's something, I guess. You could maybe play Hugh Jackman playing Wolverine.

Nah, he'd get an inferiority complex

 

[Jinn]

Nah, he'd get an inferiority complex

Are you sure? I hear he doesn't want to play the part anymore anyway.

 

[Steven P Bastien]

Just a thought about Rey's abilities compared to Luke's.

Luke was a farmboy and Rey was a scavanger. Rey needed to develop survival skills including self defense from a young age. Luke needed to play with power converters with his friends between his farm chores. We see her fighting like a pro before she even holds a light saber. He flies his toy space ship through the air, with his hand, like a 5-year old. She has probably been self training for years, and could have even been taught by an expert in her past. We know Luke had an expert available, but he was not instructed. Do we even know if Luke got in a fist fight as a farmer? He didn't make a very good showing of himself when the sandman sneaked up on him, nor in the Mos Eisley Cantina.

To me, Luke makes the more surprising change and goes on a faster learning curve initially.

 

[Spot261]

Are you sure? I hear he doesn't want to play the part anymore anyway.

Maybe, but he knows he'd forever be compared to me. His ego wouldn't cope well.

 

[Jinn]

Maybe, but he knows he'd forever be compared to me. His ego wouldn't cope well.

So are you going to play Wolverine, should he ever appear in the MCU?

 

[Spot261]

So are you going to play Wolverine, should he ever appear in the MCU?

I got a call from Disney a while back.

Apparently I owe them for damage to a hotel room....

 

[Jinn]

I got a call from Disney a while back.

Apparently I owe them for damage to a hotel room....

So Disneyland and Adamantium claws don't go good together? Who knew?!

 

[Spot261]

So Disneyland and Adamantium claws don't go good together? Who knew?!

You forgot the catalyst, the complimentary cocktail bar

 

[tharpdevenport]

I once met a guy who was convinced that he had the god-given right to write and market his own WOLVERINE novels because he "understood" the character better than Marvel.

Not sure what reminded me of him . . .

Did he go on to write a Star Trek fan film that never got made that rhymes with Faxamar? ;-)

 

[Marynator]

Just a thought about Rey's abilities compared to Luke's.

Luke was a farmboy and Rey was a scavanger. Rey needed to develop survival skills including self defense from a young age. Luke needed to play with power converters with his friends between his farm chores. We see her fighting like a pro before she even holds a light saber. He flies his toy space ship through the air, with his hand, like a 5-year old. She has probably been self training for years, and could have even been taught by an expert in her past. We know Luke had an expert available, but he was not instructed. Do we even know if Luke got in a fist fight as a farmer? He didn't make a very good showing of himself when the sandman sneaked up on him, nor in the Mos Eisley Cantina.

To me, Luke makes the more surprising change and goes on a faster learning curve initially.

Oh dear, your post really made me laugh. Oh yes, Luke was raised well-fed and cared for, and his biggest problems included not getting to go to Toshi Station to meet his friends after dinner. Rey was lucky to have dinner once a week. When Luke was playing with his toys, and her same age Rey was exploring ruined star ships on her own, probably having to fight off would-be attackers and rival scavengers and everything, so it totally makes sense she'd have more skills than he would, yet he really did seem to learn really quickly. But it's like I've been saying, it seems it's okay when a man does it, but outrageous when a woman shows her skills.

Oh dear @Jinn you totally know Wolverine aspires to play @Spot261, not the other way around!

 

[Spot261]

Did he go on to write a Star Trek fan film that never got made that rhymes with Faxamar? ;-)

Remember that guy we had here years back who simply couldn't get it into his head he couldn't publish the fanfics he was posting?