Well, obviously, a girl who does it is just crazy talk
That's stupidAt least, that’s what I got. Obviously many of the truths we cling to are based on a certain point of view.
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That's stupid
I heard it from a ghostly manifestation of a crazy old wizard. I should have known better.
Yeah... the voices in your head. Don't believe everything they say! 
YeahThat’s true but where does Obi-Wan say, “Hey, Luke, Imma train you because your dad was a Jedi and that’s the only way anyone ever can be a Jedi?” There’s no requirements for it. Luke merely decided he wanted to follow his father’s footsteps.
At least, that’s what I got. Obviously many of the truths we cling to are based on a certain point of view.
I just recall Ben revealing to Luke he was part of these Jedi Knights and so was Luke's father. Of course the real gotcha comes well after. However there is this critical choice Luke makes. Does he go back to a life set out by his Uncle or does he accept a different destiny? One that mattered to his father? He could be ordinary or he could embrace his heritage. Ben does rather push it too. Telling Luke he is old and tired and discouraging him to be like his Uncle. He wants Luke to step up not somebody else. "You must learn the ways of the Force if you're to come with me to Alderaan..."I was once a Jedi Knight the same as your father...
LUKE
I wish I'd known him.
BEN
He was the best star-pilot in the
galaxy, and a cunning warrior. I
understand you've become quite a
good pilot yourself. And he was a
good friend.
Yeah
I was once a Jedi Knight the same as your father...
LUKE
I wish I'd known him.
BEN
He was the best star-pilot in the
galaxy, and a cunning warrior. I
understand you've become quite a
good pilot yourself. And he was a
good friend.
I mean, you’re not wrong.
Yes, Obi-Wan pushed it a little bit. But as in the hero’s journey, Luke refuses the call to adventure. He says that he can’t get involved, that he has work to do. He only agrees to be a Jedi when he has nothing left.
Why does he want to do that? If you believe in the saga view, of course it’s destiny.
But in 1977, was it to follow in his father’s footsteps? Was it a matter of vengeance for first his father then Owen and Beru? (At this point, the only reference to the Dark Side of the Force is that Vader was seduced by it. The movie does not indicate what that means.)
Vader hunts down the Jedi and they are “all but extinct.” It stands to reason that if the Empire were to find a Jedi Knight, or those learning to be Jedi, they would be imprisoned or more likely executed. Ben is in exile. Is it to protect Luke? Or is it because Tatooine is a backwater world? The saga suggests the prior. In 1977, it could easily be either.
I have argued and continue to argue that there’s no biological or destiny-related distinction to Luke being a Jedi as presented in Star Wars. I was born in 1979. I never really knew Star Wars as not being a saga, but doesn’t it make more sense as a stand alone film that they would be trying to tell a tale that would reach children suggesting: you can be special too, just like Luke Skywalker?
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Back in 1977, I doubt if they were thinking past the time-honored trope of the youthful hero following in his dead father's footsteps. So young Luke, raised in obscurity, is given his father's sword and is trained by his father's old companion, because that's how things work in myths and fairy tales, a long time ago and far, far away. Luke is basically Arthur, Ob-Wan is Merlin, and I'm not convinced anyone was thinking of DNA or biology beyond just Luke being his father's son.
And, of course, we were years away from Leia being worked into the bloodline.
It's amazing how much it was filled in later.
Not a believer that Lucas had the whole saga thought out all along, are you?
Read The Secret History of Star Wars. It’s a well-researched but unofficial tome that debunks a lot of that pre-planned stuff.
Yeah, I've long suspected the "pre planned" image of the story is the SW equivalent of "Gene's Vision", an attempt by fans to convince themselves that their franchise represents some almost mystical vision that came to their Messiah, rather than a an entertainment form which struck a nerve and reverbrated with something in the public consciousness at the time, in ST's case by cerebral allegory for real current affairs and issues, in SW's case by tapping into the appetite for big adventure movies and sci fi at the time and offering up a modern retelling of the classic hero's journey.
If you read the initial drafts, even going back to the Rough Draft (most are available online), while in some cases, it doesn't tell the family soap opera story that is laid out in the Star Wars saga. It is a huge script with a lot of unnecessary things that detract from a relatively light plot. This includes a man who has cybernetic implants sacrificing himself for the good of the order and a furry, tribal race helping fight in the final battle by flying ships. They, however, are Wookies. Lucas did what any decent writer would do: trim the fat and offer the good bits for future tales. But the whole idea of him cutting the script in thirds and telling the story really doesn't fit what is in the initial drafts. I'm not suggesting that Lucas didn't have the idea for Vader to be Luke's father, but it was not something that was really presented in those scripts nor did it have more than a seed being planted for audiences in 1977. We honestly don't know. But it seems unlikely with as much information as we have about these previous drafts, including the drafts themselves.
Hell, as is fairly well known, according to Gary Kurtz, the producer of Star Wars and Empire, Lucas originally had a much darker ending planned for Return of the Jedi, which did not involve Leia being Luke's sister:
So, no, it isn't very likely GL had it all figured out ahead of time. And while I might have liked a bit more of a nuanced ending to ROTJ, I think ultimately in the moment, he made the right call.
There is likely an alternate universe where that movie was made. It is now my life goal to find that universe!
There is likely an alternate universe where that movie was made. It is now my life goal to find that universe!
Send back a blu-ray if you find it. I'll PM you my address.
^ Interesting how that version of the ending of ROTJ shares elements with TFA, with Han dead and Luke off alone.
And Leia as a leader. Not Queen of the Universe, but alone as well.
Also everything being in tatters. Obviously life in the New Republic didn't go very well if the First Order was able to rebound as quickly as it did.
It makes me wonder if they're going to go for a not-so-happy ending with Episode IX and kind of mirroring the idea initially presented. I don't know if Disney would go for that but they did give us Rogue One. And killed two of the three of the OT leads. It is possible.
Send back a blu-ray if you find it. I'll PM you my address.
It's red ray there, and the universe is shrinking
So, HD-DVD! I still have a player in the closet!
Are you the mirror BillJ?
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