After TLJ, Is "Franchise Fatigue' now Plaguing Star Wars?
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Bosch? They’re making a film about power tools? What’s next, Dewalt: A Star Wars Story?
I’m sorry...I should be flogged for such a horrible joke. I’ll go to my metaphorical corner now
Hardware Wars!!
"You'll laugh, you'll cry, you'll kiss three bucks goodbye!" (I loved that little short)
I disagree wholeheartedly. A producer who is a fan of the material could have done leagues better than this.
Kevin Feige has proven how that works.
Even the shills at 'Collider Jedi Council' predict that Kathleen Kennedy will "step down" next year:
The hate against Kathleen, whether you think it's justified or not, is growing strong.
*sing-song*
You can keep selectively pretending Feige didn’t answer to the Creative Comittee all you wa-ant...
But no else forgets that he was totally spent the previous 20 years producing Amazing Spider-Man, Blade Trinity, Punisher:War Zone, Elektra, Wolverine and the X-Men, the Fantatstic Four movies, Hulk, Man-thing, Spider-Man 3, and X-Men 3...
Beloved geek movies that totally didn’t almost kill some of their franchises, oooonne and allll...
(Seriously. Before checking, even I failed to realise just how spectacularly Feige managed to fail his way up. He’d only had three out-and-out successes before Iron Man, and one technically doesn’t even count.)
I can think of another reason why Kennedy might step away from Star Wars for a bit after next year. Hint: the same reason why Boyega and Ridley might do the same. Plus, there’s that other big series she’s involved in, which is theoretically due out after IX and before the spin off movies.
If my prediction is turns out to be correct, I expect all of you to hail me as the next Nostradamus. And to give me my own YouTube show.
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Good thing corporate decisions are not made based upon hate.
I don't disagree that the hate against Kennedy is growing, but it is irrational (as hate usually is) and does nothing to add to the franchise as a whole.
I guess we're all like Luke.
I, for one, think if you hate someone over a fictional story and their choice on how to make it....you probably need to achieve some perspective
I haven't seen any evidence that the hate against Kennedy is growing, but I do see is the same people reaffirming their hatred of her over and over.
I might be wrong here, but I got the impression that there was way more interest in the prequels-initially-than for Solo. I mean, I know I was curious about the mysterious Clone Wars mentioned in ANH and also "The Duel". I had read the original Star Wars novelization years ago which presented a brief description of it, and so I was eager to see how Lucas would pull it off. And I do think the prequels overall had something to say-not always expressed well-about how good people can turn into monsters and how democracies become dictatorships. Lucas had a hard time though populating his grand tragic tale with characters that a lot of people could identify with and feel something for so they could invest in them. Compared to Solo though, there was a lot more filling in the blanks, coloring in the dots for the prequels. With Solo, it seems like they just took some of the stuff we already knew about the character from previous films and strung it together into a story, which is much less interesting than taking on another galactic war and the fall of the Jedi and the Republic.
For Han Solo, I've always been a fan. I was not a fan of him in TFA because it felt like a character regression, the first major one perhaps of Disney Star Wars. Han ran from his responsibilities instead of facing them, he became selfish and went back to what he had been instead of facing up and holding on to who he had become. So his sudden reversal and decision to confront Ben felt more plot-driven than character driven. It's hard to imagine Han would let things spiral out of control that much and that long. I would like to believe the OT Han would've went and yanked Ben Solo's behind back from the First Order, and not ran away, or even pretty much not even relentlessly looking for the Falcon. It just felt too out of character to me. But that was the first major blow. It didn't bother me so much because I knew Harrison Ford wanted out so they accommodated him. What happened to Luke though, that was too far for me. I was okay with him dying-in fact, I thought Luke's death scene was actually well done-but all the crap that led up to it, it also felt out of character as well.
Not really; yes, he went back to what he knew, but only after a massive emotional and personal upheaval... and he'd only been doing what we find him doing at the beginning of that film for about 4 to 5 years.
An upheaval he seemed not too bothered about addressing (albeit perhaps out of guilt or a fear of failure or another failure, but I don't recall him admitting to such), until fate brought the Falcon and the war back into his life.
I often find this hard to understand. It felt perfectly in character, for a character who felt like he had failed. Failure and trauma does powerful and damaging things to people.
They got a money maker that's what they care about. They're churning out movies and merchandise that is raking in billions. They've got a park planned too
It's a money maker. "Solo" likely won't net them a billion dollars but they're so big they can afford to take a small hit.
Disney has Marvel or Pixar to recoup some losses.
Fireproof addresses this better than I can, so I'll let his words speak for me:
Also, Leia wasn't really addressing or dealing with the situation either; despite being a main leader in the broader conflict with the First Order, she wasn't actively doing anything to try and confront Kylo/Ben directly even though, as the overall second-in-command of the First Order, he should have been a primary offensive target on both a strategic and personal level.
By the time it hits On-Demand, streaming, home video (Blu-ray/digital downloads), premium cable, standard cable, merchandising... I'm pretty sure Disney will turn a decent profit on it.
I'm sure it will be disappointing for Disney that the movie won't turn a profit before leaving its theatrical run, but they won't take a hit on it over the long run.
The problem is that people expected (and wanted) BvS to be fantastic. Which it should have been. Turning up with those expectations and then just getting "fine" was a major let down for people.
That is true about how damaging failure can be and how we can respond to it in different ways, but at the same time, it didn't feel in character as I saw Han to be. And for it to go on, 4 or 5 years, and let Ren become this mass murderer, it didn't work for me. And when they do have Han come to his senses he is murdered by Ben and tossed off that walkway, it felt unceremonious. Even Kirk got a better ending in Generations.
And then failure is compounded in TLJ, for Luke and for Leia, and it just gets so depressing after a while. The escapism aspects of Star Wars are removed, for what exactly? In one of the You Tube Solo reviews I've watched-I can't remember which-they pointed out how aspirational and inspirational the original trilogy heroes had been. They inspired us to be better, but I can't say the same for how the sequel films have treated the original heroes. One can argue that it's 'real', but we also have to look at 'being real' in a science fantasy film.
It's been bothering me about why Disney would go this route in how they've treated the original heroes, but a recent New Yorker article helped provide some insight for me. They want to make these characters interchangeable to keep churning out films where the draw is the 'universe' of Star Wars instead of seeing beloved characters IMO.
[URL='https://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/the-growing-emptiness-of-the-star-wars-universe']The Growing Emptiness of the “Star Wars” Universe
The Growing Emptiness of the “Star Wars” Universe
When the universalization of “Star Wars” is complete, it will no longer be a story but an aesthetic.[/URL]
