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"Set Course For Home: In Defense Of STAR TREK: VOYAGER"

Qonundrum

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https://birthmoviesdeath.com/2018/05/24/star-trek-voyager-defense-set-course-for-home

Clearly, a re-evaluation is in order, and following exhaustive research, I am here to tell you that...it ain’t as bad as you think.

One of the most common complaints leveled against Voyager is that it never followed through on its central ideas - those of a lone Federation ship journeying across unfamiliar space with no help in sight, and of a Federation crew merging uncomfortably with Maquis rebels. As far as the rebels go, that’s a fair point: the two crews get along surprisingly smoothly for two populations bordering on civil war, although friction between them drives more episodes than viewers probably remember. The complaint about Voyager’s journey being too easy, though, derives most of its fuel from continuity nitpicking. Voyager crashes more shuttlecraft (including a ton of Delta Flyers) and fires more torpedoes than it’s technically got to lose, sure - but such complaints misinterpret what Voyager was really about.

Upon a revisit, it's clear Voyager was never meant to be the gritty survival show fans thought they wanted (largely retrospectively, it’s worth noting, thanks to the rebooted “anti-TrekBattlestar Galactica premiering shortly after Voyager’s conclusion). Viewed with fresh eyes and an open mind, Voyager was always about making the best of a bad situation: a crew made up of sworn political enemies, coming together to seek out their shared home - and taking the opportunity to do some honest-to-Science space exploration along the way. In other words, it’s BSG’s search for Earth, but fueled by Star Trek’s sense of discovery and optimism. In a sense, it’s almost a direct refutation of the political greyness of Deep Space Nine, refocusing attention at how tiny and precious is our pale blue dot - and how petty are our disagreements over it.

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Had much to say and, yeah, as much as VOY has some stinkers, the really good episodes are far more often overlooked. In the blink of an eye...
 
Thanks for sharing, it was an interesting read.

I guess I have embraced Voyager with those eyes for a while now. I always 'got' it but it seems to be more appreciated by a return viewing for some fans. I've read that kind of comment more and more lately. In many ways because they were not in the Alpha Quadrant, Voyager wasn't as 'stuffy'. Sure the Federation was their makeup but they were less preachy.
 
I loved the exploration and overall positive mind set of Voyager. It had a few hick ups but I wasn't looking for gritty back then, or even now during my rewatch. I will say I could have handled a little more Year of Hell but I'm sure I couldn't handle the whole show being that. I would probably have tuned out after the first season. And having Star Fleet and the Maquis at each other's throats would have finished me after a few episodes.
 
Even ignoring the normal gripes, I still can't get past some casting choices.

Despite not initially liking them, I grew to love Sisko, Odo, Kira and Bashir. I warmed not one iota to Janeway and Tuvok.

I wasn't that fond of Torres either, although, in a testament to Ethan Phillips portrayal, I didn't loathe Neelix by the end.
 
I find with other Trek there's a kind of arrogance of moral superiority that the Federation carry with them. They can afford to because they have the big Starfleet stick to dominate with. I'm not saying Federation values are not guiding ones but most other Trek had that comfort zone feel. Voyager referred to those principles but they were the little fish forced to move on. They got to explore along the way.
 
Even ignoring the normal gripes, I still can't get past some casting choices.

Despite not initially liking them, I grew to love Sisko, Odo, Kira and Bashir. I warmed not one iota to Janeway and Tuvok.

I wasn't that fond of Torres either, although, in a testament to Ethan Phillips portrayal, I didn't loathe Neelix by the end.
I guess that's what separates a fan of a show from one who isn't. Tuvok and Janeway are favourites. Not in the mood to trash DS9 but I understand how it feels to not like the tone of something and to not like characters. It happens.
 
I guess that's what separates a fan of a show from one who isn't. Tuvok and Janeway are favourites. Not in the mood to trash DS9 but I understand how it feels to not like the tone of something and to not like characters. It happens.
Indeed.

As I said, I wasn't fond of some of the DS9 cast at first either. Most seem keen on Mulgrew, but I still find her a tough watch in other shows and tend to avoid her.
 
Indeed.

As I said, I wasn't fond of some of the DS9 cast at first either. Most seem keen on Mulgrew, but I still find her a tough watch in other shows and tend to avoid her.

I like her casting, I cant imagine anyone else nor would i change it, but I must concur I don't enjoy watching her do anything else. I try. I kinda like her as Red but meh..pre VoY I just not into her style and if I am honest with myself I am not thrilled with her Janeway all of the time.
 
I loved Janeway until season 7. Some episodes in that season...difficult to watch though I still count her as one of my favorites. I haven't watched Mulgrew in anything else. I'm pretty much a character fan, not an actor one per say, though I have a few exceptions. I'll watch Jeremy Renner in anything! :drool:
 
I loved Janeway until season 7. Some episodes in that season...difficult to watch though I still count her as one of my favorites. I haven't watched Mulgrew in anything else. I'm pretty much a character fan, not an actor one per say, though I have a few exceptions. I'll watch Jeremy Renner in anything! :drool:
I must admit I'm a character fan too more than an actor/actress one. It's always interesting when a different performer takes on a role from someone else.
 
Haven't read the article yet but Voyager does get a lot of undeserved criticism. People make accusations about the show that if you stop and take 2 seconds to think just arent true.

Edit: i skimmed through it and already I disagree with many points
 
Haven't read the article yet but Voyager does get a lot of undeserved criticism. People make accusations about the show that if you stop and take 2 seconds to think just arent true.

Edit: i skimmed through it and already I disagree with many points
I saw 2 mistakes in the first few paragraphs. The person writing said Chakotay's ship was still in the Badlands when Voyager and that ship both disappeared. Not true. Chakotay's ship had already been taken by the Caretaker.

Then they said Voyager crashed a ton of Delta Flyers. They might have destroyed several shuttles, but only one Delta Flyer.
 
I feel that most Trek fans treat Voyager as the gifted kid that doesn't apply himself/herself. You see that it has so much potential but chooses to waste it and plays it safe. Voyager is like alternate Picard in "Tapestry". It mostly played it safe and hardly strove to be more. When Voyager stretched itself, we saw the greatness it could consistently achieve. It was all there but the writers just didn't care.
 
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Voyager was hobbled by the episodic format the execs insisted on. It's hard to get emotionally invested in dramatic events when you know the ship would be pristine in the next episode. At least on DS9, actions had consequences.
 
Voyager was hobbled by the episodic format the execs insisted on. It's hard to get emotionally invested in dramatic events when you know the ship would be pristine in the next episode. At least on DS9, actions had consequences.

Not if you were Sisko. It pays to be a God in waiting. Lol
 
I love the characters and the premise for the series.

Unfortunately the series suffered from erratic writing. Sometimes I think that the writers and producers didn't realize what a goldmine they had. Since Voyager was about a lost ship in the Delta Quadrant trying to get home, they should have focused on more arcs and more continuity. The series was also better in seasons 1, 2 and 3 when all the characters got a fair share of the spotlight than seasons 4-7 when most of it was focused on Seven (in her catsuit), Janeway and The Doctor.

Instead of trying to find an own ground to stand on, like DS9 which found it's own unique way of storytelling compared to TNG, Voyager was cast to the fate of the whims of the writers and producers where arcs and storytelling were shoved aside for whims like:
"Let's bring in a sexy babe! The audience love Baywatch and sexy babes!"
"Let's have more Borg! The audience love the Borg!"
"Let's have more TNG characters! The audience love TNG!"

And at the end it was: "Let's get the **** out of here and make a retro series instead! The audience love TOS and that era!"

In fact, I can see a similar pattern in my favorite series NCIS where NCIS is the flag ship, NCIS LA has found it's own ground a bit different from NCIS while NCIS New Orleans which started great are suffering from bad writing and replacements of main characters in an even worse way than Voyager did. I guess the same thing can be said about the three Stargate series. Fortunately Voyager never became as bad as Stargate Universe which was horrible from the start and never got better.

Maybe it's difficult to run the third series in a row with successful ones?

However, my verdict for Voyager is that I still love the series!

Why?

Because it had wonderful characters and a great premise and for me the greatness of the first three season outweighs the flaws and dissapointments with seasons 4-7.
 
I feel that most Trek fans treat Voyager as the gifted kid that doesn't apply himself/herself. You see that it has so much potential but chooses to waste it and plays it safe. Voyager is like alternate Picard in "Tapestry". It mostly played it safe and hardly strove to be more. When Voyager stretched itself, we saw the greatness it could consistently achieve. It was all there but the writers just didn't care.

This, oh so much.

On a good day VOY could be the ultimate Trek series, applying all the lessons the producers had learned from TOS, TNG and DS9 and distilling them into perfection. The series format itself is maybe the most daring in all Trek: yes DS9 dared to remove the starship from the equation but it still had the familiar Alpha Quadrant to fall back on, VOY (on paper) had to create everything from the ground up and that's a marvelous thing, open to any and all possibility.

It didn't always work out that way in practice, which is infuriating at times :lol:

But it still feels like, to me at least, when it fired on cylinders it features some of the very best of Trek.

Kinda deserving critique but also totally undeserving of the *level* of criticism it gets.
 
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