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Klingons appearance - history repeats itself

Just off the top of my head: "Errand of Mercy," "Friday's Child," "A Private Little War," "The Trouble with Tribbles," "The Day of the Dove," and "The Savage Curtain." And a Klingon ship poses a menace in "Elaan of Troyius" although I don't believe we see any of the crew.

Not to mention, of course, a decade's worth of comics, novels, merchandise, etc, featuring the original TOS style Klingons. None of which were "canon," of course, but it's not as though the Klingons were some obscure footnote in Trek lore before the modern stuff came along.

The thing to remember is that back then TOS wasn't TOS. It was STAR TREK, the only and only. Trek did not come in different flavors yet, so those Klingons were the only Klingons any of us had seen for our entire lives. So we shouldn't minimize what a big change the "new" Klingons were back in '79, or dismiss the TOS Klingons as some forgotten aberration that's somehow less definitive than what came later.

And yet Trek went on, so, yeah, it's hard to get worked up over yet another makeover

Oh I would never have them down as a footnote. But as a fan who had to work backwards to TOS it was easy just to squint and assume the frowns were ridges if you see what I mean. The redesign wasn’t much of a redesign as there wasn’t much of a design to begin with...this is definitely a redesign though.
 
Oh I would never have them down as a footnote. But as a fan who had to work backwards to TOS it was easy just to squint and assume the frowns were ridges if you see what I mean. The redesign wasn’t much of a redesign as there wasn’t much of a design to begin with...this is definitely a redesign though.

For those of us who grew up on TOS, it was a pretty radical change. The old-school Klingons didn't have any latex appliances to make them look like actual aliens. They were sneering bad guys wearing nothing more grease paint and mustaches. But that very absence of "alien" makeup on the TV show is what made the TMP Klingons so startling. Just redesigning the Klingons to look like an actual aliens was completely different from what we were used to.

"Whoa! That's what Klingons look like now? They never looked that freaky on the TV show!"

From where I was sitting, it was just as big a redesign as the new Klingons are to folks who grew up on the modern stuff. It certainly wasn't what we had come to think of as a "Klingon" for more than a decade.

And according to Corporal Captain, we did see a Klingon onscreen in "Elaan of Troyius," so there were even more old-school Klingons onscreen than I remember. :)
 
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Just wait till we see Kang, Kolos and Kor in the new prosthetics.....

I think you mean "Koloth." But, yes, that would be cool. I wouldn't mind seeing Pike or Burnham run into younger versions of some TOS Klingons, complete with the new DISCO makeups.

(Not to be confused with Kodos the Executioner, who was not a Klingon.)
 
I think you mean "Koloth." But, yes, that would be cool. I wouldn't mind seeing Pike or Burnham run into younger versions of some TOS Klingons, complete with the new DISCO makeups.

(Not to be confused with Kodos the Executioner, who was not a Klingon.)

Yeah, I meant Koloth, not Kolos, he was the lawyer who defended Archer to the High Council, silly me
 
Yeah, I meant Koloth, not Kolos, he was the lawyer who defended Archer to the High Council, silly me

You know, I was wondering if there was actually a "Kolos" on one of the later shows. I confess I don't know ENTERPRISE nearly as well as I've memorized TOS.

You're shocked, I know. :)
 
There are a lot of Klingons that start with K.

And TOS villians in general actually, there are quite a few Ks.
 
I wasn't happy with the Romulan redesign in TNG either. It was utterly pointless, and it only increased the continuity problems, e.g. in the multiple places where it had been effectively established that Vulcans and Romulans were outwardly identical in appearance.
Yeah, but those shoulder pads! With Romulans around, you always had a place to sit your drink.

You put enough Romulans in one room, and they start looking like carnival shooting arcade targets.
 
Yeah, the Kodos and Kollos thing is just unnecessarily confusing. And we can throw in Khan as well.

Then again, nobody back then knew we'd still be scrutinizing this stuff more than fifty years later!

"Kollos? Don't you think that sounds like it ought to be a Klingon name?"

"We're getting cancelled anyway. Just go with it." :)
 
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I haven't read one explanation as to why Discovery Klingons took an appearance so contrary to how we see them ten years later.

It's bullshit I tell you, bullshit :scream:
 
I haven't read one explanation as to why Discovery Klingons took an appearance so contrary to how we see them ten years later.

It's bullshit I tell you, bullshit :scream:

To repeat, we didn't get an "explanation" back in '79 either. How is this different?

Meanwhile, going back to Mad Jack Wolfe's post, I have to wonder: if Crystal Carrington was a Klingon, would she be Krystal Karrington? :)
 
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