Klingons appearance - history repeats itself

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by PiotrB, May 23, 2018.

  1. PiotrB

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  2. Spot261

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    Same thing happened when TNG aired for some reason, as though the movies hadn't happened. People got just as angry too.

    Kinda silly when you think about it
     
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    For the sake of playing devils advocate, when we consider the TMP redesign there had been 79 episodes of TOS. When we consider the DSC redesign there had been 50 years of Star Trek with however many episodes and 13 or so films. In those terms, the DSC redesign seems less... reasonable than the TMP one.

    For the record I’m not a fan of the DSC Klingons but i understand the motivation for it. Sort of.
     
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    Why is the Klingon's always get flack for the redesigns but when it came to the Borg no one ever cared?
     
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    i think two things mitigated the borg redesign: the limited appearances of the borg before they were changed and the fact that the new makeup was clearly superior.

    as for the klingons in discovery. i'm one of the people who doesn't like them, not because they were changed, but how they were changed.
     
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    Plus, the Borg were constantly assimilating and integrating new technology, which would reasonably lead to visible changes.

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  7. King Daniel Beyond

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    I've no issue with them re-imagining or changing anything. It's the weird pretence that nothing has changed and it's all the same continuity as the original series that bothers me.

    Worf had hair. According to the designers, Disco Klingon ridges are sensory thingies that go all down their heads and spines and they don't grow hair. It's change beyond the visual, which breaks continuity.

    But as it's own standalone thing, no issue whatsoever.
     
  8. Jinn

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    Good thing that what the designers say isn't canon unless its said in the episode.
     
  9. King Daniel Beyond

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    But they're deliberately designing things to contradict what came before, and producers are both allowing it and at the same time insisting nothing has changed.

    It's a schizophrenic production.
     
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    All of this has happened before, and it will all happen again...
     
  11. Jinn

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    I'm not doubting that, but that still doesn't make the designer's comments canonical.
     
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    The non-canon comics have some Klingons with hair, looks decent.
     
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    Thread answered right here.

    Why on Earth would anyone care?
     
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    Because if we don't, Commander Taggart and the crew of the Protector will di – hold on, I got my wires crossed.

    No idea.
     
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    Literally no one? Well, that's not true.

    I've opted not to buy the TNG Blu-rays because they retconned the Borg personal force field VFX in "Q Who" to have the green color typical of later episodes' VFX rather than the gray color it originally did. Why? That was a seminal episode and the VFX of the personal force field were equally seminal. I'd have much preferred the original to be preserved in HD for posterity, since that was what was so dang interesting at the time. So, no Blu-rays for me.
     
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    That seems like a very petty reason
     
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    That has got to be the first time I've ever read anything negative about the TNG-remaster project. Considering that the Borg tractor beam in the very same episode was green, I would let that slide myself as it shows some visual consistency in their technology.

    Some, ahem, enterprising posters right here on this board have photoshopped hair onto the STDsc Klingons, making them look immensely better.

    Kor
     
  18. Groppler Zorn

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    I think just the addition of hair would make them easier to accept as Klingons. But even in a fundamental sense I also think it would make them look better
     
  19. Greg Cox

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    You could have made the same argument back in 1979. "How can they completely redesign the Klingons, deliberately contradicting what we saw before, and still insist that this new movie is a sequel to the TV show?"

    And, in that case, the producer was Roddenberry himself. If it was good enough for him, why are today's fans complaining about DISCO doing the same thing?

    If us old-school Trekkies survived the Klingons getting a radical makeover back in '79, just to make them look cooler, modern fans can survive the same.
     
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    The makeup department wanted to show off.
    The writing department wanted visuals to emphasise the 'enemy' should be dehumanised.
    The production team canon buffs talk shit.