Spoilers Arrow - Season 6
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So... I take it Flash, Supergirl, Legends and other assorted heroes in this multiverse weren't available to help out since Ollie had to go to the FBI, and not only that, but to the one agent there that doesn't even know how to prioritize... seriously... Major Crime Organization that spans the entire country, or One Guy in a Hoodie mucking about in a single city, which one's more important for FBI to deal with? 
Diaz as the big bad this season just doesn't work for me, and the attempts to prop him up as a serious menace have the exact opposite effect, like in this episode with the wiping out and taking over the Quadrant, allegedly the shadowiest of shadowy crime organization than nobody could touch, instead of making him threatening it just makes them look utterly incompetent.
Also, "this guy has an army" excuse is a bit thin considering Oliver already stood up to Slade's mirakuru army, The League of Assassins, Darhk's H.I.V.E. and just earlier this season an entire army of literal Nazis!
I'm taking both lairs being blown up to bits as a sign that next season's revamp of the show with the new showrunner will be extensive...
Diaz as the big bad this season just doesn't work for me, and the attempts to prop him up as a serious menace have the exact opposite effect, like in this episode with the wiping out and taking over the Quadrant, allegedly the shadowiest of shadowy crime organization than nobody could touch, instead of making him threatening it just makes them look utterly incompetent.
Also, "this guy has an army" excuse is a bit thin considering Oliver already stood up to Slade's mirakuru army, The League of Assassins, Darhk's H.I.V.E. and just earlier this season an entire army of literal Nazis!
I'm taking both lairs being blown up to bits as a sign that next season's revamp of the show with the new showrunner will be extensive...
The Queen fortune is gone, Felicity no longer runs Palmer Tech so who's gonna pony up for a new bunker now? Unless Diaz does a Darkh and leaves one behind
The Queen fortune is gone, Felicity no longer runs Palmer Tech so who's gonna pony up for a new bunker now? Unless Diaz does a Darkh and leaves one behind
I'm sure the showrunners will think of something.
Maybe Argus has a secret underground bunker that Team Arrow can use?
Unless Diaz does a Darkh and leaves one behind
That was actually Sebastian Blood's lair that got repurposed into the Arrowcave. That was handy, since it was under Blood's campaign HQ, so Oliver was able to use that same building as his campaign HQ, right above his crimefighting HQ.
Ugh. Not so sure about this episode.
1. Ollie, who is known for shooting arrows VERY VERY quickly... some how isn't able to shoot Diaz in the 2nd act? Diaz is RIGHT THERE... above Mr. Terrific. OR, Diaz was RIGHT THERE in the van that Ollie was standing right next to. It's ridiculous. Of course, they weren't going to get him... it was just the beginning of the episode... but, that makes for poor story telling.
2. If the Quad is so bad ass, why are they so easily eliminated? I get that Diaz killing them is supposed to make HIM look like a bad ass, but, it just makes the Quad look remarkably weak. They have a criminal enterprise of a whole country, yet, Diaz is given a pass? "Oh, you have killed two of our own, ok, sure, Mr. Diaz, you just take over."
The whole season doesn't feel like a rise towards a climax, but, a serious of delaying actions until they get to a season finale.
1. Ollie, who is known for shooting arrows VERY VERY quickly... some how isn't able to shoot Diaz in the 2nd act? Diaz is RIGHT THERE... above Mr. Terrific. OR, Diaz was RIGHT THERE in the van that Ollie was standing right next to. It's ridiculous. Of course, they weren't going to get him... it was just the beginning of the episode... but, that makes for poor story telling.
2. If the Quad is so bad ass, why are they so easily eliminated? I get that Diaz killing them is supposed to make HIM look like a bad ass, but, it just makes the Quad look remarkably weak. They have a criminal enterprise of a whole country, yet, Diaz is given a pass? "Oh, you have killed two of our own, ok, sure, Mr. Diaz, you just take over."
The whole season doesn't feel like a rise towards a climax, but, a serious of delaying actions until they get to a season finale.
Sometimes organisations like the Quadrant are more attuned to /defended against attacks from the outside. Some-one on the inside can be unexpected and can attack the soft underbelly.
You are right. But this type of thing happens all the time, precisely because the writers have to drag things on until the finale. But it does make for plot holes.
I get the impression that the Quadrant was more of a "white collar" type criminal organization. They are about things like money laundering and such, not really street violence. They are not really the types to get down and dirty like Diaz does. That's why they call Diaz a petty thug and considered him unworthy to join their ranks until he forced the issue with his "explosive entrance". But I do wonder, if the Quadrant found Diaz so objectionable, why did they not take him out sooner?
I agree. They were portrayed as one-percenters of crime, smug elitists. That's why Diaz wanted their approval. But they still come from different worlds.
Partly because he has something of value to them, control over a whole city. And probably partly because they underestimated just how casually murderous he is.
They could probably have taken over the city themselves without Diaz if they really wanted to. Diaz just made it easier.
I do agree about the last part. Because they come from a different world than Diaz, they completely underestimated his level of brutal violence and as a result did not know how to respond, until it was too late. I bet they never had to deal with someone who would use a suicide bomber to blow up their HQ and mass murder their guards and shoot their leader point blank, like Diaz did, to get a seat at the table.
^I don't think you can really call it a suicide bombing if the person who gets blown up is an unwilling hostage.
Yeah, but, he's been on the inside for like a hot second. Is the Quadrant that naive? If so, that reduces their stature even more. Makes them like a wet paper bag of criminal organizations.
Yeah, it's just happened so many times over the years that it's wearing thin. Ollie and Co. are able to shoot and wound (or just outright kill) henchmen with ease, but, they just can't ever seem to hit their targets when it's the season long bad guy.
I get that, and it makes sense. But, I just don't understand how ANY criminal empire is able to become... well, a criminal empire without muscle. I understand why those in charge don't do the dirty work, but, don't they have muscle? Has no one before moved in on them? Is this literally the first time?
Why would two members of the Quadrant walk in... without protection... to talk to the guy who JUST joined the organization... who just murdered one of their own, without protection? Not only weak, but dumb.
Technically, you are right. It is not an actual suicide bombing. But Diaz did use a person as a walking bomb.
A lot of what has been said about the softness of the Quadrant that I've read on this thread I had similar feelings. It makes no sense that the remaining two guys would just take a meeting like that, without any protection or on their turf and not Diaz's. Why not send intermediaries? They already knew Diaz was capable of killing two of their own to get to the seat (without even even having to know about Cassemento's demise; which was pretty shocking and a nice demonstration of Diaz's ruthlessness and growing confidence or megalomania). I really wish the Quadrant had been the season long villain. It's a cool concept that is getting short shrift it seems, which isn't that unusual when it comes to how Arrow handles a lot of their antagonists.
I really want to like Diaz a lot more, but I feel they show is trying to make him out to be this uber threat and it's unearned. I like Kirk Acevedo's performance, I liked his backstory where he was bullied and was still haunted by that (Acevedo did a good job showing Diaz's anxiety), but there's this need to create a big bad that sort of pushed aside that character work. And now I'm supposed to believe he has the entire police force under his control? I wish the show had dropped seeds about Diaz years ago. Heck, his name should've been in the book, so they can say he's been hatching this plan for years and it's now coming to fruition. He could've been a business partner of Robert Queen or something, or involved in the Undertaking. Absent that, tie him to HIVE, Kobra, Intergang, or even the League of Assassins, or had him be a member of the Quadrant from jump, to shortcut how he would have the organization and influence perhaps to pull off his takeover of the city. (Instead of just inventing a gang, the Scorpions, we hadn't heard of before, at least I hadn't). It's like this grand plan has just come out of nowhere. And it unintentionally-maybe-shows how daft Oliver has been to not see this takeover happen so quickly. If the seeds had long been planted I could buy that more easily (like the Court of Owls in the Batman comics, they were there long before Batman).
As for last week's episode, I did like the attempt mob rub out of Team Arrow. But Oliver could've ended Diaz when he came about him fighting Curtis. And Diaz could've ended Oliver when they were fighting in the stairwell. It's like the writers are just stringing us along until the inevitable big showdown for the season finale. Perhaps my opinion will change next week, but right now, I see this as a very uneven season, which I put in the middle of the pack when I rank Arrow Seasons. For quality I have it Season 2; Season 1; Season 5; Season 6; Season 4; Season 3. For enjoyment I have it Season 1; Season 2; Season 5; Season 6; Season 4; Season 3.
I really want to like Diaz a lot more, but I feel they show is trying to make him out to be this uber threat and it's unearned. I like Kirk Acevedo's performance, I liked his backstory where he was bullied and was still haunted by that (Acevedo did a good job showing Diaz's anxiety), but there's this need to create a big bad that sort of pushed aside that character work. And now I'm supposed to believe he has the entire police force under his control? I wish the show had dropped seeds about Diaz years ago. Heck, his name should've been in the book, so they can say he's been hatching this plan for years and it's now coming to fruition. He could've been a business partner of Robert Queen or something, or involved in the Undertaking. Absent that, tie him to HIVE, Kobra, Intergang, or even the League of Assassins, or had him be a member of the Quadrant from jump, to shortcut how he would have the organization and influence perhaps to pull off his takeover of the city. (Instead of just inventing a gang, the Scorpions, we hadn't heard of before, at least I hadn't). It's like this grand plan has just come out of nowhere. And it unintentionally-maybe-shows how daft Oliver has been to not see this takeover happen so quickly. If the seeds had long been planted I could buy that more easily (like the Court of Owls in the Batman comics, they were there long before Batman).
As for last week's episode, I did like the attempt mob rub out of Team Arrow. But Oliver could've ended Diaz when he came about him fighting Curtis. And Diaz could've ended Oliver when they were fighting in the stairwell. It's like the writers are just stringing us along until the inevitable big showdown for the season finale. Perhaps my opinion will change next week, but right now, I see this as a very uneven season, which I put in the middle of the pack when I rank Arrow Seasons. For quality I have it Season 2; Season 1; Season 5; Season 6; Season 4; Season 3. For enjoyment I have it Season 1; Season 2; Season 5; Season 6; Season 4; Season 3.
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Burning through season 6 and OH MY GOD are the writers on crack?
* Why have they turned every character into a FULL GRADE A+ Moron, they are all acting like mini villains.
* Creating drama for the sake of drama with needless retreading of old storylines in particular Olly/Felicity who should just be a couple with out the CW crappy soap drama.
* Olly secret identity has been faux-exposed too much these days, there is no way to put the genie back on the bottle now but the writers are too scared to just oust him and change the dynamic of the show.
* The action scenes are so poorly put together these days, the team are always out in the open and should be dead several times over per episode.
* They seem to have de-powered Olly who after beating Ra's and Darkh should be the ultimate badass but seems to struggle more in the field these days so they can justify having new team Arrow.
* The William actor is horrible, they couldn't cast a better actor?
They need to go back to just Diggle, Olly & Felicity and fuck everyone else.
* Why have they turned every character into a FULL GRADE A+ Moron, they are all acting like mini villains.
* Creating drama for the sake of drama with needless retreading of old storylines in particular Olly/Felicity who should just be a couple with out the CW crappy soap drama.
* Olly secret identity has been faux-exposed too much these days, there is no way to put the genie back on the bottle now but the writers are too scared to just oust him and change the dynamic of the show.
* The action scenes are so poorly put together these days, the team are always out in the open and should be dead several times over per episode.
* They seem to have de-powered Olly who after beating Ra's and Darkh should be the ultimate badass but seems to struggle more in the field these days so they can justify having new team Arrow.
* The William actor is horrible, they couldn't cast a better actor?
They need to go back to just Diggle, Olly & Felicity and fuck everyone else.
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And appropriately, it features an Arrow-style extended single-take fight scene, though not involving Diggle. And Diggle's role is fairly brief.
Season 6 comes out on dvd and blu-ray August 14
Unlike last year's set all episodes of the 4 part crossover are included
Unlike last year's set all episodes of the 4 part crossover are included
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