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Spoilers Arrow - Season 6

I dunno, I think Kirk Acevedo makes Diaz compelling to watch, even as it becomes clearer that he's limited and fatally flawed.

Admittedly, it is hard to believe that Black Siren would be afraid of Diaz. As ruthless and brutal as he is, she could still kill him with a whistle. Quentin even said as much, but her explanation wasn't convincing.

Unless... Maybe what scares Laurel-2 is that she feels she needs to follow men like him and seek their approval. First Zolomon, then Prometheus, then Cayden, now Diaz. And she's now coming to realize how empty and self-destructive that dependence is. She could easily dispose of Diaz on a physical level, but maybe she can't imagine herself free of him or someone like him, and so is afraid to act.

I was thinking the same, about Laurel. Those are some good points. I mean, she has had millions of opportunities to basicly scream his head off. Literaly. Some form of dependecy she's not aware of would be an interesting way of looking at it.

And sure, yes. Acevedo's performance is pretty good. But it's not enough for me to make him interesting as a character/villian.
 
I dunno, I think Kirk Acevedo makes Diaz compelling to watch, even as it becomes clearer that he's limited and fatally flawed.

Admittedly, it is hard to believe that Black Siren would be afraid of Diaz. As ruthless and brutal as he is, she could still kill him with a whistle. Quentin even said as much, but her explanation wasn't convincing.

Unless... Maybe what scares Laurel-2 is that she feels she needs to follow men like him and seek their approval. First Zolomon, then Prometheus, then Cayden, now Diaz. And she's now coming to realize how empty and self-destructive that dependence is. She could easily dispose of Diaz on a physical level, but maybe she can't imagine herself free of him or someone like him, and so is afraid to act.

I think she might be afraid of his network. She can kill him but his people can just kill Quetin Lance as payback.

Jason
 
Katie Cssidy is like Ali Larter on Heroes or Brett Dalton on Agents of SHIELD...

Their characters are dead but yet the producers keep dragging back the actors for like 4 seasons... Way past their due.

And I am sorry...but Cassidy for me isn't a a great actress...the Arrowverse will be fine without future appearances...though as a dad I sure do sympathize with Quentin
 
And I am sorry...but Cassidy for me isn't a a great actress...the Arrowverse will be fine without future appearances...though as a dad I sure do sympathize with Quentin

It is surprising that the man hasn't gone off the deep end let alone crawling to in bottle and staying there given what's happened to him.
 
Katie Cssidy is like Ali Larter on Heroes or Brett Dalton on Agents of SHIELD...

I don't remember Ali Larter on "Heroes" that much. But not I would equate Cassidy's Black Siren with Brett Dalton's Grant Ward from "Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.". He's a pretty good actor . . . I'll give him that much. But I think Cassidy can act circles around him. And frankly, I find her Black Siren a lot more compelling.


And I am sorry...but Cassidy for me isn't a a great actress...the Arrowverse will be fine without future appearances...though as a dad I sure do sympathize with Quentin.

Frankly, I think she's a better performer than either Stephen Amell or Emily Rickards. And both of me are pretty solid performers in their own right.
 
Katie Cassidy is the main thing that is keeping me watching this season. Her performance in the last few episodes have been the highlight.
 
Soooooo less than 24 hours out. Place your bets on whether or not the guest credits will spoil it for those that didn't see the CW Promo that spoiled it.
 
Soooooo less than 24 hours out. Place your bets on whether or not the guest credits will spoil it for those that didn't see the CW Promo that spoiled it.

I rarely read those anyway, but thanks for the heads up so I know to also intentionally avoid them ;)
 
I feel that for this season there's too little, too late. I think they spent too much time on the Cayden James misdirection.I like Diaz but they took too long to flesh out his character, and even now I don't get enough of a motivation or explanation for why he wants to take over Star City and what does it mean. The episode focused mostly on his character a couple weeks back was much needed, but he slayed his personal demon, so what else drives him? I like the idea of the Quadrant but I wish we had heard of them long before now. The Quadrant should've been the big bad this season (though I wished the had replaced the name Quadrant with the comics' Ninth Circle to make that nice comics reference).
 
Once I saw the promo shot of "Tommy" appearing in the courtroom, I guessed that it would probably turn out to be the Human Target, and I was right. This one was a little unusual for Chance, though, since he usually saves people by impersonating them, rather than people close to them.

The trial was a real circus, on many levels. They kind of made a mockery of the justice system, with the whole thing being just a contest of dirty tricks and counter-dirty tricks. The judge was bought, the jury was pressured, the witnesses were threatened, so I guess the heroes had no choice but to engage in deceit of their own. Still, I'm uncomfortable seeing these characters who are supposed to be heroic so glibly lying under oath in a court of law -- something that Barry Allen refused to do when he was on trial for murder on The Flash earlier this season. Although at least his trial was fair.

I'm wondering what the fallout of this will be for the team. Even if he's cleared, a lot of people are still going to believe Ollie's the Green Arrow. (Maybe he could follow the precedent of Waid and Samnee's Matt Murdock and wear a t-shirt reading "I'M NOT THE GREEN ARROW.") And Dinah has been potentially implicated as a vigilante too. There are some things that are going to be hard to put back in the bottle, even with Ollie nominally cleared. The irregular way it happened, with the "judge" vacating the jury's guilty verdict, will probably seem awfully suspicious to a lot of people.

When Laurel confronted Diaz at the end there, I was hoping that the whole reunited Team Arrow would emerge behind her. That would've been a cool moment. It would've also been pretty much the end of the season, though, so I guess we're not there yet.
 
It's interesting that Jean Loring has joined Dr. Schwartz (and Quentin and Susan Williams and probably a few others) in the circle of civilian professionals aware of the Green Arrow's identity. I wonder if that means she'll play a larger recurring role going forward.

But then, Arrowverse superheroes are really, really bad at keeping their secret identities, aren't they? Zoe and Raisa both figured it out some time ago, and Ollie's enemies usually know his identity before he knows theirs. Meanwhile, Barry Allen is really casual about showing his face to other metahumans who might or might not be allies, and Supergirl works with a whole government agency and makes no attempt to hide her identity from whoever happens to be in the building.

I often think that the change from the old TV shows where superheroes continually managed to keep their identities secret from everyone except maybe one key ally (Batman/Robin and Alfred, Captain Marvel and Mentor, Wonder Woman and IRAC, the Flash and Tina McGee) to the modern shows where heroes have constantly growing circles of people aware of their identities is related to the growth of modern communications and social media and the erosion of privacy. We're all more interconnected and exposed than our parents or grandparents were, and so we expect fictional characters to be as well. Although it's also just a function of serialized TV, the need for stories driven by constant change and crisis in the main characters' relationships, in contrast to the old approach where every episode had to restore the main characters' status quo at the end and only guest stars got to change. But it's definitely accelerated in the past decade. Smallville's Clark Kent had his identity revealed to a new character maybe once every season or two, while in Arrow's first season, a new person found out Ollie's secret roughly once every four episodes, and The Flash started out with a team of three people aware of Barry's secret from the get-go and Joe finding out at the end of the pilot, while Supergirl had her sister, her foster mother, and the entire DEO aware of her identity from the start. Black Lightning is actually a bit of a refreshing throwback -- at the start, only two people know his identity, and at the end of the season, it's been discovered by only two more protagonists, plus one or two surviving bad guys -- but, for a change, his arch-nemesis still doesn't know his real name!
 
I feel that for this season there's too little, too late.

I dunno, I think the last few episodes have been the strongest ones of the season, and while I've been a bit iffy on the season as a whole I'd rather have the season start weak and end on a high, and not the other way around.

Although at least his trial was fair.

Of the two trials at least this one was a mockery on purpose, The Flash one had an allegedly impartial legal system behind it and it looked like... that.

It's also interesting how this season Black Lightning was arrested, Green Arrow went to trial, The Flash went to prison... Supergirl should be really worried right about now... :D

By the way, I figured the docket number(11-19-41-73) had some meaning, and googling tells me that Green Arrow first appeared in the November '41 issue of More Fun Comics (Issue #73), so I guess that's that.
 
I was thinking the same, about Laurel. Those are some good points. I mean, she has had millions of opportunities to basicly scream his head off. Literaly. Some form of dependecy she's not aware of would be an interesting way of looking at it.

And sure, yes. Acevedo's performance is pretty good. But it's not enough for me to make him interesting as a character/villian.

I think the problem is the writing for Diaz and not Acevedo.
 
I had a hard time with this episode... because Ollie is TOTALLY guilty.
Not just being the Green Arrow, but... sort of a mass murderer. He has killed a LOT of people over the years. Not just in Star City, but, all over the world.
A LOT of people.

Of course, I know it's to much to ask of a CW show to ruminate on vigilantism, but, still. If the court wasn't rigged against Ollie, it would be hard to be totally on Team Ollie. So... many... dead people.

AND, what sort of prosecutor puts people on the stand without knowing what they are going to say?

This season has been a lot of filler and not much content, a lot of "drama" without much substance. I hope next season they wrap the show up... If not... I'm not sure how much longer I'll stick around.

*crosses fingers for the new show runner*
 
I had a hard time with this episode... because Ollie is TOTALLY guilty.
Not just being the Green Arrow, but... sort of a mass murderer. He has killed a LOT of people over the years. Not just in Star City, but, all over the world.
A LOT of people.

I get Ollie's argument for not admitting being the Green Arrow but a part of me wishes he had. It could have led to a good discussion if they had gone with the lawyer's strategy of defending the good that the Green Arrow has done. Yes, he killed a lot of people but they were really bad people. Also, he killed in order to save many more innocent people. So does the good outweigh the bad? That's a good philosophical debate that is worth having. But instead, the episode avoided this debate completely. And yeah, it did feel a little weird about Ollie winning the case since he only won by cheating and getting off for something he is actually guilty of.
 
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