For one shots like the Horta, quite easily. On a weekly basis? That's a tougher call.
USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?
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I'm on the fence on the new Enterprise.
It's "fine." But it's missing its...soul? I feel like Vedek Bareil toward the end, when Bashir had to replace half his brain with a positronic implant, and he was saying how everything looked different now.
The tallness of the original said something about it. The elegance of the neck and pylons spoke to its "Space Age" verisimilitude. This one has beefed-up pylons and a bulldog neck. It's overcompensating, and I'm less intrigued.
This looks plenty rad, and it fits into the stylization of DSC universe, but it does miss the ring of strange brilliance of the original. It's too Hollywood.
...and I say that knowing Hollywood could have gone a lot further out there.
It's "fine." But it's missing its...soul? I feel like Vedek Bareil toward the end, when Bashir had to replace half his brain with a positronic implant, and he was saying how everything looked different now.
The tallness of the original said something about it. The elegance of the neck and pylons spoke to its "Space Age" verisimilitude. This one has beefed-up pylons and a bulldog neck. It's overcompensating, and I'm less intrigued.
This looks plenty rad, and it fits into the stylization of DSC universe, but it does miss the ring of strange brilliance of the original. It's too Hollywood.
...and I say that knowing Hollywood could have gone a lot further out there.
None of those ways are what they did on DISCO for the Klingons.
No. Not a bit.
It does seem, though, that lately you've been expending a lot of effort in an attempt to score one. What's that about?
Exactly so.
STD just made them look like they're struggling under a lot of physical limitations.
They really should have went for the Into Darkness Klingon look. It's alien enough and functional for someone to be expressive while acting. I think the only reason they went overkill with it was to hide Shazad Latif as to not give away their twist.
Depends upon how early they came up with the twist - the way it played out made it appear to be a hasty and ill-planned idea. In any event, they could have found other means of misdirection than saddling everyone playing Klingons with an expensive handicap. So I don't think this is plausible.
Indeed so. It seemed like a last minute thing at least to me anyway. I doubt we will know for sure but I do agree with what you said.
Are you seriously suggesting that the DSC Klingons don't look less human than the ones on TNG?
Nice. You just cut out the part where I explained it to you in order to make your post entirely personal.
You're proving my point. "No. Not a bit."? You're the one who's trying to score points in an imaginary game. Stop acting like a child.
Does putting a bag on someone's head make them look less human?
Let me spare anyone who's tempted to jump in here the wasted effort:
It does not.
It makes them look like a human being with a bag on their head.
The STD Klingons are wearing some pretty elaborate bags, I'll give the designers that.
Let me spare anyone who's tempted to jump in here the wasted effort:
It does not.
It makes them look like a human being with a bag on their head.
The STD Klingons are wearing some pretty elaborate bags, I'll give the designers that.
Well, if it wasn't last minute, then they learned a tough lesson in the dangers of underestimating your audience.
Always funny how quickly talk of Klingons derails a thread. Anyhow, back on the Discoprise and seeing the eaglemoss ortho i'm happy with it overall. Of course I have my personal nitpicks but for a minor redesign it fits the bill and blends well into the new visual precedent set by the show.
Yes, I want the Vulcans and Romulans to change as well. But, my general attitude is to have aliens be more alien in some way.
And to your point, yes I think there is a need to recognize when to stop. Now, I'll admit to be being biased, because I generally connect with more alien characters and outsiders, not by facial expression, but by voice and tone and body language. So, perhaps I'm a poor judge on this count. I have also stated that I think the actors should be able to act through it, but my threshold for that seems to be lower than others so I'll grant that since it is a recurring complaint about the acting I'll concede that point.
The Tall Whites have less features than almost all aliens we've seen on Star Trek... but Star Trek is supposed to be fiction. 
They look like people in makeup, as opposed to people in different kinds of makeup. so, yeah, I guess I am, seriously.
If you want to get seriously into "more alien" territory, you have to get away from that. Arrival did it. Incarnations of Star Trek have done it a few times, e.g. with the Crystalline Entity.
The Tartigrade is pretty non-humanoid looking.
Give me Farscape level stuff again, please.
There's no reason to change the vulcans. Why would they do that? They already changed the romulans, and it was meaningless.
Some aliens in Star Trek, even in the later series, look just like humans. There's no need to add prosthetics to every known species.
I'm convinced the Klingons were indeed a Fuller initiative, as all the other species(especially in later episodes) were more or less unchanged.
Such as:
Trill
Tellerites
Andorians
Orions
Vulcanians
Tribbles
Terrans
It may seem like I've padded this list. Well, I had to.
Some aliens in Star Trek, even in the later series, look just like humans. There's no need to add prosthetics to every known species.
I'm convinced the Klingons were indeed a Fuller initiative, as all the other species(especially in later episodes) were more or less unchanged.
Such as:
Trill
Tellerites
Andorians
Orions
Vulcanians
Tribbles
Terrans
It may seem like I've padded this list. Well, I had to.
The Klingons on DSC are just atrocious. The actors under the makeup - specifically Mary Chieffo and Shazad Latif - have done outstanding jobs and their performances rose far above and beyond their prosthetics and this has nothing to do with the individual characters themselves. But the overengineering of the Klingon makeup is one of the biggest and most annoying distractions of the entire show and it's not good when you spend more time wondering why somebody sounds muffled and incoherent and why they can barely move their jaw than visualizing the Klingon Empire and its politics in this era.
I just stated my personal preference. Need? Of course there isn't a need. I just have a preference.
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