USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?
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Which look like humans with elephantitis of the cranium and Incredible Hulk contact lenses. They were already alien enough.
Well, the real problem with the outfits are that they're bulky, clumsy affairs that completely hide the performances of the actors and render them nearly incapable of speech.
The guy they've got for Captain Pike from what I've seen bears a similarity to Jeffrey Hunter I must admit but if their version of Spock doesn't look like Nimoy then the riots will begin! 
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I'm not the biggest fan of everything about what you called it "the Kelvin Connie," but it's clearly well inside the ballpark of what constitutes a redesign that doesn't shit on the original. There are oodles of ways to redesign the original. We don't have to like them all.
And for the record, some things about Kelvin Connie I am seriously impressed by,
The Kelvin Connie is a lot more different then the DSC Connie.
That's hard to say with a straight face considering they looked almost exactly like humans.
Yes. It's an actual design.
As distinct from looking like stiff Hallowe'en masks...like the STD Klingons.
They're both designs. Everything is a design of some sort. What kind of statement is that?Yes. It's an actual design.
Well, obviously they have to look like humans because...
As opposed to Halloween makeup and wigs... like the TNG Klingons.
It's not that tng era shows couldn't do make up as comprehensively covering as discovery Klingons. In fact, they occasionally did(and very well, like the Jem Hadar, or not so well, like the Xindi reptiles).
However, for most aliens, Klingons included, they followed a design philosphy that allowed as much of the human face to be seen as possible, to allow the viewer to relate to the character.
You can see old interviews with M. Westmore explaining his methods, and why. And i've seen it mentioned in many interviews of cast and crew speaking on how meticulous and worried the producers always were about the uncanny valley. Everything had to be done a certain way, from make up, to following scripts to the letter so as not to break plausibility.
The more the audience can see of an actor's face and expressions, the more invested in the story they become, and the more they will subconsciously ignore the implausibility of the whole concept.
Besides having new methods of creating prosthetics(like 3d printing), the ability to create them is not new. It's not like the make up effects industry has advanced beyond what was capable in the 90's-00's in the same way that say... the VFX industry has.
However, for most aliens, Klingons included, they followed a design philosphy that allowed as much of the human face to be seen as possible, to allow the viewer to relate to the character.
You can see old interviews with M. Westmore explaining his methods, and why. And i've seen it mentioned in many interviews of cast and crew speaking on how meticulous and worried the producers always were about the uncanny valley. Everything had to be done a certain way, from make up, to following scripts to the letter so as not to break plausibility.
The more the audience can see of an actor's face and expressions, the more invested in the story they become, and the more they will subconsciously ignore the implausibility of the whole concept.
Besides having new methods of creating prosthetics(like 3d printing), the ability to create them is not new. It's not like the make up effects industry has advanced beyond what was capable in the 90's-00's in the same way that say... the VFX industry has.
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And yet, I can still relate to the Klingons and other aliens I've seen in several other shows, notably Farscape, which strove hard to make alot of their aliens alien.
Maybe the Klingons were not the best species to go about this with, because of their iconic nature, but I hope they introduce a whole new alien species and go fully alien with them.
Wow, you are expending a LOT of effort to miss the point, aren't you? The point is that there are ways to make aliens look more alien and less human.
Those two statements are contradictory. TNG Klingons look less human than TOS Klingons, for instance.
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