Best and Worst Voyager villain

[Farscape One]

What made the Botha so effective, in my view, is the fact that so much of what happened in that episode was a big unanswered question. The universe is VAST, and everything shouldn't be solved or explained by the end of a single encounter. That's one of the reasons why "PERSISTENCE OF VISION" was so great an episode, by and large.

We needed more of that.

I can even defend an episode like "TWISTED", because despite how the execution really fell short, the idea of such a lifeform was unique enough that it really made the Delta Quadrant feel like a completely different area of space that we are not used to seeing.

 

[Discofan]

How about that Bothan from Persistence of vision that, when asked by Janeway why he did all those things to her crew, simply said: 'because I can', and kept mocking her even after he was defeated? That evil enough?

They let him off easy.

 

[Klaa2]

I think it's all about the reason behind it. He was probably as close to "evil" as anyone got on the show. However his motives were not evil. He was trying to restore his people and bring back those that died. He wasn't harming people just making it so that they never existed. I'm nit saying it wasn't cruel or selfish but it's not like he was hurting people for the sake of seeing them suffer. That to me is what makes someone evil, purposely hurting people for no reason.

That would imply that if a murderer has a reason for massacring 1,000 people, say, because he regards them as subhuman vermin, he is not acting evilly. That IMO is too much of a stretch.

Annorax was erasing cultures so as to “un-make” them. IOW, they existed when he erased them. If that is not genocide, and, what’s more, genocide on a far greater scale than Khan ever thought of, what is it ? Yet Khan is unmistakably and consistently presented as a villain. Any sympathy for him, and any pleas in mitigation, are hardly to be seen at all.

Annorax is a sympathetic character, for all the reasons given by Chakotay - but ISTM that Harry Kim is equally correct when he criticises Annorax. A villain can be pitiable, yet still be a villain,

 

[Discofan]

That would imply that if a murderer has a reason for massacring 1,000 people, say, because he regards them as subhuman vermin, he is not acting evilly. That IMO is too much of a stretch.

Annorax was erasing cultures so as to “un-make” them. IOW, they existed when he erased them. If that is not genocide, and, what’s more, genocide on a far greater scale than Khan ever thought of, what is it ? Yet Khan is unmistakably and consistently presented as a villain. Any sympathy for him, and any pleas in mitigation, are hardly to be seen at all.

Annorax is a sympathetic character, for all the reasons given by Chakotay - but ISTM that Harry Kim is equally correct when he criticises Annorax. A villain can be pitiable, yet still be a villain,

I believe you mean "Tom Paris".

 

[catshadowsi8]

Yep definately

So you are looking for someone or something that has no remorse or a valid reason other than furthering their own selfish agenda.

So does the Alien in Coda qualify. No remorse and promises paradise when its clear it's anything but. In the end he isn't defeated, just says he will bid his time and get her eventually.

 

[Discofan]

So you are looking for someone or something that has no remorse or a valid reason other than furthering their own selfish agenda.

So does the Alien in Coda qualify. No remorse and promises paradise when its clear it's anything but. In the end he isn't defeated, just says he will bid his time and get her eventually.

The ending seems to suggest that that is where all people end after their deaths, IE in the "stomach" of these things.

 

[catshadowsi8]

The ending seems to suggest that that is where all people end after their deaths, IE in the "stomach" of these things.

Only if you go into the light, right? Kind of twisted you have to agree to be eaten.

So the moral of the story is light bad...dark good. Or maybe it's never listen to your father. Lol

 

[Prax]

It's hell. Maybe the human version, as B'elanna has a scrape with a more Klingon variety.

 

[Discofan]

Only if you go into the light, right? Kind of twisted you have to agree to be eaten.

So the moral of the story is light bad...dark good. Or maybe it's never listen to your father. Lol

If you don't agree then it goes against these creatures' work ethic.

 

[catshadowsi8]

If you don't agree then it goes against these creatures' work ethic.

He did seem a little miffed, didn't he?

 

[thribs]

Anorax is the best. The Kazon the worst.

 

[Discofan]

Anorax is the best. The Kazon the worst.

Even the Borg thought that the Kazons weren't worthy of assimilation.

 

[Discofan]

Was anybody on Voyager actually a villian? I think only one Malon individual came close. The first Malon we met was dumping waste in an area he knew to be populated. The other Malon we saw in Juggernaught said they went out of their way to find uninhabited areas to dump. I think just about everyone else wasn't purpsely seeking to do harm to people.

How about the "scientists" who secretly experimented on the crew (and killed a few)?

 

[Ferengi Prime 5]

I did not see anyone mention:

Species 8472...
The Hirogen: seem to be a fan favorite...
The Devore: needed more screen time...

 

[Oddish]

Annorax is probably the best villain individually, though Seska takes the silver. The Think Tank had potential, but were handled kind of ham handedly, with them deliberately creating the problem. A better idea for them would have been for them to offer to find a way to get Voyager home in exchange for... what they wanted.

Of the factions introduced, the Vidiians were probably the most interesting. Species 8472 had potential as well.

I don't remember any weak villains offhand aside from the hierarchy in Tinker, Tenor. They seemed a little... out of their league.

 

[Discofan]

Annorax is probably the best villain individually, though Seska takes the silver. The Think Tank had potential, but were handled kind of ham handedly, with them deliberately creating the problem. A better idea for them would have been for them to offer to find a way to get Voyager home in exchange for... what they wanted.

Of the factions introduced, the Vidiians were probably the most interesting. Species 8472 had potential as well.

I don't remember any weak villains offhand aside from the hierarchy in Tinker, Tenor. They seemed a little... out of their league.

They killed 8472 as a villain when they made them "misunderstood well-meaning guys" I think the quasi-romance between Chak and John Archer's "fake" descendant did it.

The Think Tank were a strange bunch, I mean one wonders why they needed all those things since they didn't seem to get much of them. They lived cloistered in their tin can of a spaceship between themselves ( That's not much of a life). I wonder if that's the real reason why they were so nasty.

 

[Oddish]

They killed 8472 as a villain when they made them "misunderstood well-meaning guys" I think the quasi-romance between Chak and John Archer's "fake" descendant did it.

The Think Tank were a strange bunch, I mean one wonders why they needed all those things since they didn't seem to get much of them. They lived cloistered in their tin can of a spaceship between themselves ( That's not much of a life). I wonder if that's the real reason why they were so nasty.

Maybe. But it would have been a great conundrum. Do we hand over one of our own to get home? Or stick to principle? Seven, "needs of the many" Borg that she was, would undoubtedly say the former.

 

[Farscape One]

I really loved the Think Tank as villains. Definitely would be difficult to beat them, given their intelligence.

 

[Discofan]

I really loved the Think Tank as villains. Definitely would be difficult to beat them, given their intelligence.

I don't know. If they were so smart maybe they would know the correct response to an attack even if they can't communicate with each other and also maybe they would have devised a way to communicate that didn't involve complex technology... something simple like morse code maybe.

 

[Farscape One]

I would argue that their intelligence IS what got them beat... it made them cocky. We've all seen this happen before.