"The Laughing Klingon" sounds like the name of a cocktail... Something with blood wine in it, no doubt.
Best and Worst Voyager villain
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"The Laughing Klingon" sounds like the name of a cocktail... Something with blood wine in it, no doubt.
Klingons are presented as equals in TOS, but dumber than humans, and easily outwitted. Twice they declare a truce. In Elaan of Troyius, they are quickly beaten, and run away. In ST3, they are outwitted and beaten.
The Romulans are always outwitted and/or beaten. TNG makes it worse by adding "mustache twirling" to their attributes. Humans are just smarter, I guess. Even Q is jealous.
Voyager encounters the "Borg collective" 4 main times. In scorpion/the gift, they are saved by others, like Kes. In other appearances, they narrowly escape, or get help. It's only in the finale that they are really beaten. Voyager also has an important reason to explore borg storylines:
They have a borg main character.
It's no different on TNG and DS9, with all those many "Klingon episodes" where Worf is somehow constantly getting involved, and having influence in the highest rungs of power in Klingon society. He regularly discusses politics with the klingon president, even though "Worf is a pariah" is his main attribute amongst them(Or "Quark is a Pariah," yet also is constantly involved with Ferengi power. I just realized that. Worf must be a Klingon Prince, and Quark a Ferengi prince).
The Vidiians were never going to be seen again by the time of Think Tank(unless by time travel. I don't see how an off hand remark by the Costanza guy would change anything.
Besides, everything else he told Janeway was a lie. He pretended to be surprised by learning of/meeting Seven, but he actually had acquired Voyager's database and fabricated an elaborate scenario to specifically capture her. The think tank had a bad reputation locally and probably never saw a Vidiian. He's a big league con artist.
The Romulans are always outwitted and/or beaten. TNG makes it worse by adding "mustache twirling" to their attributes. Humans are just smarter, I guess. Even Q is jealous.
Voyager encounters the "Borg collective" 4 main times. In scorpion/the gift, they are saved by others, like Kes. In other appearances, they narrowly escape, or get help. It's only in the finale that they are really beaten. Voyager also has an important reason to explore borg storylines:
They have a borg main character.
It's no different on TNG and DS9, with all those many "Klingon episodes" where Worf is somehow constantly getting involved, and having influence in the highest rungs of power in Klingon society. He regularly discusses politics with the klingon president, even though "Worf is a pariah" is his main attribute amongst them(Or "Quark is a Pariah," yet also is constantly involved with Ferengi power. I just realized that. Worf must be a Klingon Prince, and Quark a Ferengi prince).
The Vidiians were never going to be seen again by the time of Think Tank(unless by time travel. I don't see how an off hand remark by the Costanza guy would change anything.
Besides, everything else he told Janeway was a lie. He pretended to be surprised by learning of/meeting Seven, but he actually had acquired Voyager's database and fabricated an elaborate scenario to specifically capture her. The think tank had a bad reputation locally and probably never saw a Vidiian. He's a big league con artist.
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Oh I had no idea. I only know the order they appear. I love Voyager and the original.series and have watched them multiple times. I wouldn't be able to discuss the other series in such detail as I've only seen them once.
Prax- You will not get an argument from me that the Kirk beats the Klingons at every encounter. As I said it was the 60's. Kirk was invincible. Lol However they remained a main antagonist for the series and Star Trek movie. Then in Next Gen. poof they are allies but imo that's different. They are not 'original' for that series. I also need to add all villians in every series are beaten by our heros but most of the really nasty ones like Romulans, Borg, Q to name a few remain a big bad to fight another day . Ok DS9 defeated the dominion and Cardassians in the final episodes but they were a threat right up until then. All I'm saying is why did Voyager nerf their 'original' villains like species 8472, Hirogen, and others so quickly. I understand they are moving through space so they find new villains and leave the old behind but why not leave their big bad still active. Who knows where the franchise will go. Species 8472 in particular was jarring. Case in point if Next Gen had done that with the Borg we would not have had them appear in Voyager and I loved Scorpion. It is a facet of Voyager that has always puzzled me. Btw I've enjoyed discussing this with you. Its fun talking with someone with such extensive knowledge.
The Kazon were obviously meant to be Voyager's version of the Klingons but imitation was not appreciated and they were removed from the show during the early part of the third season!
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Was anybody on Voyager actually a villian? I think only one Malon individual came close. The first Malon we met was dumping waste in an area he knew to be populated. The other Malon we saw in Juggernaught said they went out of their way to find uninhabited areas to dump. I think just about everyone else wasn't purpsely seeking to do harm to people.
The people who shot Kim and ensign whatsherface forcing the Doctor to choose between them and sacrifice ensign plot device and making him go crazy seem like villains to me.
It depends on WHY they shot them. Since their language was not translated we don't know why they shot them.
I can't think of a reason that wouldn't make them a cruel people, can you?
Again it depens on what their motives are. Hypothetically...they beamed in and since they could not establish communication they played it safe and assumed Harry and Ensign I can't remember her name are dangerous and shot them...but...the weapon is designed to simply stun someone of their own species. Harry and I can't remember her name are more seriously injured because the weapon is not designed for their different physiology
This is all speculation,
Ensign Jetal, if memory serves me.
That's it. I was surprised Harry didn't have a crush on her. He's always had a (secret) crush on women we had never heard of before... or after.
Annorax, or else Seska. Annorax is a sympathetic character, yet he does terrible things. Seska...is Seska. ‘nuff said.
I don't know. Annorax sounds like a psychopath to me. The way he casually destroys billions of lives is cringe-worthy, to say the least.
I think it's all about the reason behind it. He was probably as close to "evil" as anyone got on the show. However his motives were not evil. He was trying to restore his people and bring back those that died. He wasn't harming people just making it so that they never existed. I'm nit saying it wasn't cruel or selfish but it's not like he was hurting people for the sake of seeing them suffer. That to me is what makes someone evil, purposely hurting people for no reason.
Are we talking a single individual or a group? Individually Alice is a villain imo. Tieran from Warlord seems pretty villainous too. Group wise the Nemesis come to mind. Indoctrinating someone to become cannon fodder and fight a war you didn't know about in the first place is pretty evil.
The evilest people of all times had tons of reasons for hurting people, Hitler, Mussolini, Pol Pot, Pinochet... Could have talked for hours about their reasons for doing what they did.
How about that Bothan from Persistence of vision that, when asked by Janeway why he did all those things to her crew, simply said: 'because I can', and kept mocking her even after he was defeated? That evil enough?
Yep definately
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