USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?

[Mudd]

I like the idea of Trek looking like the future...

That would be nice.

STD doesn't.

 

[Jadeb]

That would be nice.

STD doesn't.

This argument is kinda amusing when you consider they took the design for the hero ship from a 1976 vision of the future. But I guess that's seven years more futuristic than those dated designs from 1969.

 

[XCV330]

That is just to visually communicate that the character is overworked. And I don't think it is really that unrealistic either. I often do one thing on a pad, while watching something from a the computer while occasionally checking things from my phone. If iPads were free and you could have as many as you liked, many people probably would use several while working.

Yep. If people looked at my desk from back in time they'd scoff and say "and why would anyone need more than one monitor. Three? That's silly!

And this whole discussion is dull any way. Some people are not happy until people in Star Trek are playing Pokemón Go with their iTricorders.

hang on.. almost on the next level

 

[fireproof78]

If you try to project realistic development of technology, you will not have Star Trek.

Why? Why not future look with Star Trek? I mean, there is supposed to be an undergirding of optimism regarding humanity's future throughout the show, so why not imagine technology based upon what we know now?

It baffles me that the rationale is "Because Star Trek" is the reason technology appears so limited. In essence, Trek tech is limited to technological knowledge of the 60s and 80s. No thanks.

 

[Longinus]

Why? Why not future look with Star Trek? I mean, there is supposed to be an undergirding of optimism regarding humanity's future throughout the show, so why not imagine technology based upon what we know now?

You can make such a scifi show. But it won't look or feel anything like Star Trek. There are just certain basic setting assumptions that are incompatible with realistic portrayal of technological progress.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

A TOS communicator is mil-spec and close to indestructible.

Except for that time Shran smashed one with a rock...

 

[Belz...]

That is just to visually communicate that the character is overworked.

So it's like a metaphor; the character doesn't really have several PADDs?

And I don't think it is really that unrealistic either. I often do one thing on a pad, while watching something from a the computer while occasionally checking things from my phone. If iPads were free and you could have as many as you liked, many people probably would use several while working.

...why, though, if one is enough?

If you're talking about capabilities, then no.

There's no road map for how big an FTL walkie-talkie has to be, or how small it can be made. The idea that in the future they can be, say, thumbnail-sized is just as absurd as the idea that, no, on the other hand they must be at least palm-sized.

Conversely, both propositions are equally believable. Which way the production design goes depends upon the aesthetic that the creators want to present, which is also a function of what the audience will find believable. From a show-making perspective, that's the important thing here.

But the idea that what the audience finds believable has a bearing on how things could be in the actual future, let's just say that that's not the only factor. Communicators in the future might end up being bulky compared to our iPhones, precisely because in fact they are more capable [ETA: by which I mean, communicators have capabilities that iPhones lack; no doubt iPhones have capabilities that communicators lack as well].

I feel we're arguing around in circles. The point is that much of Trek's tech looks quaint and limited even compared to what we have now. The rest is just you and others making excuses for that fact. But no excuses are needed: back in the 60s and 80s they didn't predict the present. There's nothing shameful there. But it does mean that if you go back to that period in the series you either update the tech or it looks dated.

Yep. If people looked at my desk from back in time they'd scoff and say "and why would anyone need more than one monitor. Three? That's silly!

What's silly is your argument. We're not talking about redundancy here. There is no reason to have several PADDs except to, as stated, communicate visually that the character is overworked.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

I feel we're arguing around in circles. The point is that much of Trek's tech looks quaint and limited even compared to what we have now. The rest is just you and others making excuses for that fact. But no excuses are needed: back in the 60s and 80s they didn't predict the present. There's nothing shameful there. But it does mean that if you go back to that period in the series you either update the tech or it looks dated.

I never said they shouldn't update the look of TOS; I believe they should. As for the rest, based on what you've said, I believe you haven't understood my points at all.

 

[Longinus]

What's silly is your argument. We're not talking about redundancy here. There is no reason to have several PADDs except to, as stated, communicate visually that the character is overworked.

Whilst that is the main reason why they do it in the show, you're still wrong. It is not about redundancy. Having several devices open simultaneously is just handy, people already do it in real life. As I already said, I ofen use two devices simultaneously, sometime three. My SO does the same. This is not unusual.

By the way this demonstrates the futility of trying to make the tech usage current. Your complain about using several pads is old, and it is now outdated. People do it in RL right now.

 

[XCV330]

What's silly is your argument. We're not talking about redundancy here. There is no reason to have several PADDs except to, as stated, communicate visually that the character is overworked.

I'm not making an argument, I'm discussing imaginary tablets. Disengage, man

 

[Belz...]

Whilst that is the main reason why they do it in the show, you're still wrong. It is not about redundancy. Having several devices open simultaneously is just handy, people already do it in real life. As I already said, I ofen use two devices simultaneously, sometime three. My SO does the same. This is not unusual.

Even if smartphones were free I wouldn't have eight.

Just a little tease for you, my man. I'll post the final in Fan Art when it's done in a few days. I brought in the original shot, and did a 3D camera solve on the shot. That way, I was able to reverse engineer the motion control camera move on set to get an exact match. I'm having to fudge the position of the Enterprise a bit because the designs are so differently proportioned.

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Have you any updates for us, sir?

 

[PixelMagic]

Have you any updates for us, sir?

Well, I've gotten slowed down because A) I need to model the exterior of the top of the spacedock for the shot, and B) I also want to do all 4 of the shots at the end of TVH. That being said, here's an update tease...(click to see full size, or right click open in new tab)

MINE

ORIGINAL SHOT

 

[fireproof78]

You can make such a scifi show. But it won't look or feel anything like Star Trek. There are just certain basic setting assumptions that are incompatible with realistic portrayal of technological progress.

Updating how computers look and behave based upon current knowledge is not compatible?

 

[Belz...]

Well, I've gotten slowed down because A) I need to model the exterior of the top of the spacedock for the shot, and B) I also want to do all 4 of the shots at the end of TVH. That being said, here's an update tease...(click to see full size, or right click open in new tab)

Awesome. I can hardly wait for the final result! Thanks for the info.

 

[Longinus]

Updating how computers look and behave based upon current knowledge is not compatible?

You probably should have read what I said earlier. There will be no FTL, there will be not Transporters. On the other hand, computers will be much more powerful than in Trek, everything will be automated. People will not have anything meaningful to do. So a scifi show with realistically projected development of technology will be about some people viewing reports that automated drone ships have sent from the distant planets. Mind you, those reports will be decades or even centuries outdated, as there will be no FTL. Does this sound like Star Trek to you?

 

[Gonzo]

Well, I've gotten slowed down because A) I need to model the exterior of the top of the spacedock for the shot, and B) I also want to do all 4 of the shots at the end of TVH. That being said, here's an update tease...(click to see full size, or right click open in new tab)

MINE

ORIGINAL SHOT

I love the blue glow sensor dish.

It looks great without the idiotic 1960's era design Satellite Dish stuck on to it.

When you look at the neck the difference in size really jumps out at me.

 

[Tuskin38]

It looks great without the idiotic 1960's era design Satellite Dish stuck on to it.

Nothing wrong with that.

 

[Jesse1066]

I love the blue glow sensor dish.

It looks great without the idiotic 1960's era design Satellite Dish stuck on to it.

When you look at the neck the difference in size really jumps out at me.

What's idiotic about it? It's just a dish.

 

[PixelMagic]

I love the blue glow sensor dish.

Thanks. I'm paying ultra close attention to details like that because I want to match the motion control miniature look, and not the CG look. The idea of this shot is "What if this had been the design and miniature model in 1986?" and match that aesthetic at closely as possible.

 

[Jesse1066]

Thanks. I'm paying ultra close attention to details like that because I want to match the motion control miniature look, and not the CG look. The idea of this shot is "What if this had been the design and miniature model in 1986?" and match that aesthetic at closely as possible.

And it looks fantastic. I think you've nailed the look.