Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x15 - "Will You Take My Hand?"

[Captain Killy]

Because Prime Universe Starfleet captains are all neutered utopian beta-males...

Red pill party of one...

The only thing missing is the word cuck.

...nah, mutiny is no big effin' thing; here's a full expungement of your record.

Well, she did just save the entire United Federation of Planets. Kinda gotta count for something.

 

[cooleddie74]

Another observation -
There is a space station which looks very much like the Earth Spacedock first seen in ST III. It is seen at the beginning of the episode.

And she's under construction with some of the paneling on her upper docking hive missing. My guess is that it's THE Spacedock we're familiar with.

 

[Vger23]

ANOVOS, it seems. $8000.

Thank God it's affordable. I was worried it might be over-priced and I'd never get my hands on one.

 

[Firebird]

Please, no more Spock for a long time. It's not about recasting, it's about a character who's been used a lot and needs a long rest. Just replace him with a Dr. Pulaski for a while

As opposed to Worf being around for 15 straight years in 2 series and 4 movies?

 

[137th Gebirg]

ANOVOS, it seems. $8000.

Good Lord! Well, that would explain why they look so amazing, but four figures (near five) for models is a bit out of my league. I'll stick with my little Eaglemoss ships.

Thank God it's affordable. I was worried it might be over-priced and I'd never get my hands on one.

 

[thribs]

My theory is that Spock has gone missing and they’ve contacted the Discovery and they think his dad and/or his sister might help find him.

 

[Vger23]

Red pill party of one...

The only thing missing is the word cuck.



Well, she did just save the entire United Federation of Planets. Kinda gotta count for something.

I can't think of anything more ironic than someone who spends time on a sci-fi discussion board criticizing someone for being a "beta male."

 

[cooleddie74]

My theory is that Spock has gone missing and they’ve contacted the Discovery and they think his dad and/or his sister might help find him.

Spock going missing always seems to go well, doesn't it?

 

[The Memetic Susurrus]

Red pill party of one...

The only thing missing is the word cuck.



Well, she did just save the entire United Federation of Planets. Kinda gotta count for something.

You can, kindly, retract your slander right now. Right. Now. I am not, nor have I ever been, a sympathizer of what you are accusing me of. Never. Just because I do not subscribe to your politics does not make me anything close to what you're not-so-slyly inferring.

And, no, actions have consequences. What she did in the dénouement does not, in any way, make up for her actions beforehand. Not in the slightest.

 

[Nerys Myk]

My theory is that Spock has gone missing and they’ve contacted the Discovery and they think his dad and/or his sister might help find him.

Probably has to do with the smiling and shouting.

 

[Cyrus]

Everybody is assuming we will see Pike and Spock in the next episode. But they don't have to start the 2nd season right after this episode. The season could start with Discovery arriving on Vulcan to pick up their Captain, having already dealt with whatever emergency Enterprise had.

It was funny when georgiou called Tilly's hair hideous, Killy did have nicer hair than Tilly.

 

[Captain Killy]

They say they explain why Spock never mentions Michael next. Michael must get hit with a Krenim time eraser weapon.

It doesn’t need to be explained. Spock didn’t talk about anyone from his family. He never mentioned either of his parents or his brother or his pseudo sister to his best friend/Captain.

Also, apparently Captain Kirk is not in the habit of reading his own First Officer’s personnel file, cuz otherwise...

 

[The Memetic Susurrus]

Everybody is assuming we will see Pike and Spock in the next episode. But they don't have to start the 2nd season right after this episode. The season could start with Discovery arriving on Vulcan to pick up their Captain, having already dealt with whatever emergency Enterprise had.

It was funny when georgiou called Tilly's hair hideous, Killy did have nicer hair than Tilly.

Aw, come on. I may not particularly like Tilly as a character but there's nothing wrong with her hair!

 

[Vger23]

I predict that there will be several people who will declare it the worst season finale in the history of televised media.

Because Star Trek fans.

That was, quite likely, the worst season finale I've seen in quite a while. It stretched credulity to the breaking point, then stomped on its bones until they were ground into powder. There were a few redeeming qualities--I sure as hell am going to miss Ash and the Enterprise looked nice, even if it was the worst case of fan-service in quite a while, narratively speaking--but the writing was largely horrendous, the redemption of Burnham still undeserved, and the ending of the war was...silly. Squaring it with canon is difficult, but not impossible. But it'll take a lot of contortions to do it. The war seemed to've been too disastrous for the Federation to have it barely mentioned at all a decade or so later. Twenty percent of the UFP under occupation?

The lifespan of L'Rell should've been measured in days or weeks. A species that can, somehow, transplant entire organs from one species to another and overlay the engrams of the "donor" onto one of their own without creating an inchoate mess somehow cannot find a way to separate L'Rell's hand from her body, maintain it long enough to deactivate the bomb, and dispose of this farcical mess? C'mon... Either the Klingons are absolute geniuses at medical technology or they're complete klutzes. That twenty-three of the twenty-four houses couldn't've come together to take her down is just silly.

Or, forget about the genetic lock. Just find the bomb, isolate it behind a field, dupe the signal and remove it from the planet. Easy-peasy.

The writing in the last three episodes has been absolutely abhorrent. What happened to all the nuance? Speeches from Burnham when everyone stands up like some kind of ABC Afterschool Special? For this we got rid of Lorca? I gave it five and that was generous.

I do look forward to Season 2, but...they need to seriously clean house with the writing team. It was a chaotic season, with more missed opportunities than you can shake a stick at.

I'm a gawdam prophet.

 

[Nerys Myk]

It doesn’t need to be explained. Spock didn’t talk about anyone from his family. He never mentioned either of his parents or his brother or his pseudo sister to his best friend/Captain.

Also, apparently Captain Kirk is not in the habit of reading his own First Officer’s personnel file, cuz otherwise...

Could have saved him and the ship a lot of drama if he did.

 

[CorporalClegg]

So yeah. Either the writing team has been asspulling this entire time, and they never had a plan, or they are, frankly, idiots. Either way, they need to purge the writers room and start over with an entirely new creative team.

While I agree the [final] group of writers isn't as talented as one would like, I do think this episode represents the culinary failure created by the Too-Many-Cooks Syndrome that was so obvious early in the series.

Given recent events, it's a pretty safe bet Fuller was the problem all along and no one knows how much damage his decisions (and departure) did, so I'm willing to give the final group the benefit of the doubt. However, I do absolutely agree CBS needs to bring in a new showrunner - someone with some experience.

 

[The Memetic Susurrus]

I'm a gawdam prophet.

I did it for you. Glad you like it! ;-)

...but, really, it was the worst season finale I've seen in a long time...

 

[McDuff]

Good episode. Well written, good dialogues. good resolutions and follow-ups for most storylines. Except of course, L'Rell taking over the Klingon empire with a bomb threat and some good words about unity. With only a few minutes given to it, it's clear it wasn't meant to be the focus of the episode. Maybe it could have been a two-parter, but the Klingons, their society, their values and their leaderships were not much explored in this episode and season, so it's hard to create a possible succession of events leading to L'Rell taking over the Klingon empire. We know she had supporters and followers of T'Kuvma still believing in his words. Something could have happened involving all those groups and maybe a big change in Klingon society. There was not enough time for it. Overall an enjoyable episode.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I did it for you. Glad you like it! ;-)

...but, really, it was the worst season finale I've seen in a long time...

TATV was worse. As was the Neutral Zone and Shades of Grey.

 

[Dave Steinman]

Anybody notice the Ceti Alpha V eels from Wrath of Khan in the Orion marketplace? Nice little Easter egg.