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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x15 - "Will You Take My Hand?"

Rate the episode...

  • 10 - A wonderful season finale!

    Votes: 89 26.2%
  • 9

    Votes: 51 15.0%
  • 8

    Votes: 64 18.8%
  • 7

    Votes: 46 13.5%
  • 6

    Votes: 18 5.3%
  • 5

    Votes: 24 7.1%
  • 4

    Votes: 15 4.4%
  • 3

    Votes: 10 2.9%
  • 2

    Votes: 7 2.1%
  • 1 - An awful season finale.

    Votes: 16 4.7%

  • Total voters
    340
Cool episode. The only complaint is that things worked out too easy at the end, probably should have been a multiple part episode.

Loved the ending shot, though it was predicted by many of us

Also loved the TOS music on the end credits

The peeing Klingon confirms the multiple johnson theory

Michelle Yeoh was great as usual. I am sure she (and hopefully Jason Isaacs) will have some guest appearances next season.

So who is going to be the Vulcan Captain? Sybok?
 
Now...would they be willing...and able...to get Greenwood and Quinto? Even if only for five to ten minutes?

Who might be Pike's "Number One" for DSC purposes?
I hope not. Greenwood is too old, and Quinto is quickly aging out of the part. New Pike, and no Spock initially is my guess. He left after Talos IV and came back with Kirk's command.
 
Now...would they be willing...and able...to get Greenwood and Quinto? Even if only for five to ten minutes?

Who might be Pike's "Number One" for DSC purposes?

All of this presumes that they will pick up where they left off in Season 2. There is absolutely no guarantee that they will and, to be honest, maybe it would be better if they didn't. Then they could avoid the whole "Is Spock gonna be there?" conundrum.

For all we know, they might start Season 2 in media res, say, "Six Months Later...", with a new captain--whom we know nothing about--and the new status quo already in place. We, as the audience, will have to find out what it is as the season goes on. Less Treksposition, more storytelling.

In fact, I'd vote for that option. Just start us out with the new status quo and fill us in as we go.

The end-scene with the Enterprise was pure wankery and, yes, I loved seeing her, but...perhaps it's best not to dwell on how completely implausible and unlikely it was that the Discovery was right in her path.

Unless, of course, Lorca was right about destiny and all that... ;-)
 
The end-scene with the Enterprise was pure wankery and, yes, I loved seeing her, but...perhaps it's best not to dwell on how completely implausible and unlikely it was that the Discovery was right in her path.

Unless, of course, Lorca was right about destiny and all that... ;-)

Yeah I agree though I truly liked the wankery,

I thought though it'd be cooler if it was the constellation and matt decker.a way to show the ship and a tos nod without being so obvious
 
So there's your five.
If were counting young and animated then Spock might be the winner
Nimoy- TOS, TAS and films
Bill Simpson- TAS young Spock
Carl Steven, Vadia Potenza, Stephen Manley, and Joe W. Davis. Movies younger Spock
Quinto- Reboot
Jacob Kogan- Reboot young Spock.


Ray Liotta.

Pay him enough to have him take the role. NOW. It's a no-brainer.
God no. His body language is all wrong.
 
My guess is that they will continue from here. Maybe skip ahead a few weeks at most. They already did a 9 month leap-ahead. There will probably be a DSC/ENT team-up arc that will allow for some familiar Trek without abandoning DSC and its crew. This would also help the studio get a read on where to go in season 3. Maybe DSC won't make it out of S2 and crew faves will transfer to ENT
 
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All of this presumes that they will pick up where they left off in Season 2. There is absolutely no guarantee that they will and, to be honest, maybe it would be better if they didn't. Then they could avoid the whole "Is Spock gonna be there?" conundrum.

For all we know, they might start Season 2 in media res, say, "Six Months Later...", with a new captain--whom we know nothing about--and the new status quo already in place. We, as the audience, will have to find out what it is as the season goes on. Less Treksposition, more storytelling.

In fact, I'd vote for that option. Just start us out with the new status quo and fill us in as we go.

The end-scene with the Enterprise was pure wankery and, yes, I loved seeing her, but...perhaps it's best not to dwell on how completely implausible and unlikely it was that the Discovery was right in her path.

Unless, of course, Lorca was right about destiny and all that... ;-)

I agree with you maybe just have a short line about what went down with the Enterprise but not show any of it and start season 2 six months later. The problem is that if that is the plan they had better tell people about it or there will be a lot of pissed off fans when season 2 starts next year.
 
I am remembering how Peggy Carter was aged, how Tony Stark was de-aged, and Steve Rogers was shrunk down a few sizes for MCU purposes.

If they've decided they want Greenwood and Quinto and can get them both, there will be solutions carried out re: age issues.
 
I haven't got anything to add that hasn't already been addressed. The ending to the Klingon war was too rushed and highly unsatisfying to me. But, I am very grateful that they didn't do a reset.

Having said that, the acting balanced things out for me a bit. I finally believed SM-G. Up to this point the show for me has been Lorca, Saru, and the Emperor. I'm glad that I can finally get behind the lead.

Overall I did like the episode, I just wish it didn't feel so rushed.

I really enjoyed season one, and eagerly await season two. :)
 
So, the thin that bums me out is the resolution was too dang easy and dorsnt truly make any sense.
1.) Loreal convincing the klingons that there was a planet destroying bomb which she had the button to was too easy,

2.) convincing Cornwell in a five minute conversation, with genocide breathing down her neck, that this new plan is going to work, considering the risks seemed way to dang easy.

3.) I get Tyler's decision at the end and it makes sense, but Loreal was his torturer / rapist / lover, just too dang easy.

4.) Mike convincing George-yo without a real fight or conflict, too dang easy.

5.) They made this a bit of a deal, Emperor George-yo pretending to be captain George-yo but miraculously this never panned out to be any sort of a problem.

Just lame easy writing, a little saddening with such great acting.

It certainly wasn't a well-thought-out plot, that's for certain.

As for Tyler...that was just insulting. It's like Discovery writers were afraid to pull the trigger on practically every single potentially realistic and interesting plotline they introduced:

A nuanced portrayal of a wartime commander who'd suffered a lot, was still suffering, and had more common sense and strategic acumen than all of the Admiralty combined...

...nah, he's Mirror Universe. Because Prime Universe Starfleet captains are all neutered utopian beta-males (except for Kirk but, apparently, the writers have forgotten that Kirk acted a lot like Lorca did and no one's condemned him for it).

A sensitive portrayal of a male victim of sexual abuse and torture (by a woman, no less!), suffering from PTSD, and struggling to come to grips with the aftermath of what he'd experienced...

...nah, he's this completely implausible bastard stepchild of Frankenstein's Monster and the Manchurian Candidate.

A realistic portrayal of a human, raised on Vulcan, who's struggling to find her way, only to make a horrible decision to mutiny against her surrogate mother/captain, and now must find a way to redeem herself every time she looks in the mirror...

...nah, mutiny is no big effin' thing; here's a full expungement of your record.

Good lord, they could've done so much with all of these issues but...they didn't. They didn't do it. They went the easy way out with each and every one of them and the end result was a poorer product, in my estimation.

I kind of feel as if this is just the normal growing pains of the series and, perhaps, a season-long prologue of sorts. I suspect we'll get the episodic planet-a-week type adventures next season to a greater degree and, mayhap, that's for the best.
 
All of this presumes that they will pick up where they left off in Season 2. There is absolutely no guarantee that they will and, to be honest, maybe it would be better if they didn't. Then they could avoid the whole "Is Spock gonna be there?" conundrum.

ON aftertrek they indicated next season would deal with the "why did spock never mention michael" question which implies they are going to pick up where they ended.
 
What 3 people? Until they reboot the movies again, probably.
Jeffrey Hunter, the dude in the wheelchair and Bruce Greenwood. That's three. Whoever plays him in S2 will be four, unless they CG-youngify Greenwood for a cameo.
 
Yep. she nailed it. Made me choke up a little with her speech in front of Starfleet Command. I upped my rating on that scene alone.

I’d have upped my rating if the words were backed by a season of action.

As it is,I’ll be watching 2003 BSG to detox from this abortion of a teleplay.
 
Matt Bomer would make a good Pike.
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