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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x14 - "The War Without, The War Within"

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Prelude to Axanar.
It was an awful fanfic and a big vanity project/money scam. But so is Discovery at this point.
At least the Ares-starship looks era-appropriate and isn't a magical deus ex machina plot-device machine. And their laughable amateurish klingon make-up at least let's the actor SPEAK normally.That it comes with hair is just a bonus.

I meant the feature film script. Prelude was a 20 minute trailer for the movie.
 

Maybe I need to specify: Solely the portrayal of the klingon-Federation war. Otherwise DIS is of course obviously better - being a professional product and everything.

But honestly? I never had any interest in revisiting that war. It's just boring, everyone knows how it ends, and that it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things anyway, no matter what they try to tell us.

I like the characters of DIS just fine. And I want to see some real Trek with them. Just WHY oh why did the creators feel the need to to the exact same plot as a fuckin' fanfic?
And then do it somehow worse?
 
Prelude to Axanar.
It was an awful fanfic and a big vanity project/money scam. But so is Discovery at this point.
At least the Ares-starship looks era-appropriate and isn't a magical deus ex machina plot-device machine. And their laughable amateurish klingon make-up at least let's the actor SPEAK normally.That it comes with hair is just a bonus.
This?

Nah
 
Really? They're using fictional science to transport into a large cavern inside a fiction planet. What science is being violated here?

I suppose that materializing in hard vacuum (or close enough to it) is more plausible than into an atmosphere. I mean, where does the air go where Discovery is now located? Is it trapped inside the walls? Does air pressure suddenly double on the ship?
 
...That was literally just a bunch of talking heads.

...who at least weren't talking about shroom-jumping inside the klingon homeworld under their Mirror Universe Captain on a Starfleet-sanctioned genozide-mission after managing to loose with a multi-species alliance against a few scattered marodeur-clans!

Really, Axanar is no measurement for quality... The only redeeming quality of it is the wonky stuff it didn't do with the material...
 
I suppose that materializing in hard vacuum (or close enough to it) is more plausible than into an atmosphere. I mean, where does the air go where Discovery is now located. Is it trapped inside the walls? Does air pressure suddenly double on the ship?
That's the only thing I could think of too.
 
...who at least weren't talking about shroom-jumping inside the klingon homeworld under their Mirror Universe Captain on a Starfleet-sanctioned genozide-mission after managing to loose with a multi-species alliance against a few scattered marodeur-clans!

Really, Axanar is no measurement in quality... The only redeeming quality of it is the wonky stuff it didn't do with the material...

I'm pretty sure that anything involving Tony Todd and J.G. Hertzler has some redeeming qualities.
 
I wondered about the scene, where the discovery is being borded by the Admiral and Sarek.

They say, that the incoming ship has raised shields and immediately afterwards, the teams beams onto the bridge. Isn’t transport impossible when shields are up?

As I read nothing concerning this in the comments and reviews about the episode, I may have missed something.

What does the hive mind say?
- Shields only block Transporters is the story needs it and it's been that way for EVERY series be it TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY; etc.

Same with:
- "No transporters at Warp" too
- "You can't turn at Warp..."
- "No activation/use of Warp Drive while inside a Star System..."
^^^
All of which have been said during a Trek episode over the years.
;)

Other way round - Discovery's shields were down, it is the other vessel which is in issue. A simple explanation is a momentary drop of their shields for transport.
^^^
Nope Saru ordered shields up as soon as they saw the other ship had shields up and weapons targeting them and that was all before the Admiral and Co. started to beam over. :)
 
Qo'noS isn't going anywhere. There might be a skirmish or battle on or underneath the planet's surface, but the Klingon Homeworld will still be there after DSC ends and when TOS begins.
Well, remember the line in STVI:TUC: "The Klingon Empire has 50 years of life left to it..." and "The Klingon Homeworld will be uninhabitable in that time..," <-- That's 80 years PRIOR to TNG where we (again) see Q'nos habitable; with ancient building/halls on the surface and Klingons living in various districts. ;)
 
My impression is that the writers have approached this show like a modern Hollywood blockbuster: Define the set pieces and devise cool moments and then write some connective tissue to get from point A to point B.

Yep. That is exactly right.
 
Detmer and other former Shenzou crew just know that Georgiou was believed killed by T'kuvma but there was no body recovered - given what we've seen of Klingon medical tech with Tyler, they might be thinking she could have been revived.
This means that TyVoq will also know that this Georgiou is an imposter. Voq, L'Rell, etc. ate the remains of PGeorgiou.
 
Can’t you beam through shields if you know the modulation? Given that DSC is a Federation ship, wouldn’t the Admiral or her team know what that was?
 
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