Guys like Spock, who will push Scotty out of the way so he can solve an engineering problem.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x13 - "What's Past Is Prologue"
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Well you know, at least isn’t something ridiculous like I don’t know, the first human to ever take command a Klingon warship. Oh yeah that was William “Gary-Stu” Riker...
Curious: why is there no edit post feature? I post on my phone a lot and my autocorrect apparently hates me.
You're too new.
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You guys hassled me like a week ago for supposedly misrepresenting a post base on selective quoting. So where's the line?
Personally, if I was asked what the Star Trek philosophy is, I could not tell you. In Star Trek, I am looking for a story which does not leave me with questions about plot and story and questioning the intelligence and/or motivations of the characters. There have been many stories in Star Trek which I have enjoyed because they were well written and didn't cause harm to the characters. Stories like "The City on the Edge of Forever", "The Measure of a Man", "The Visitor", and "Death Wish". (I am less familiar with Enterprise. I clocked out on this series after the second season.) For myself, none of the Discovery episodes come even close to these episodes.
This latest episode was disappointing - it left me with questions about story and plot, the big action set pieces were underwhelming (they were probably victim to budget cuts), and the characters were damaged by shoddy writing.
This latest episode was disappointing - it left me with questions about story and plot, the big action set pieces were underwhelming (they were probably victim to budget cuts), and the characters were damaged by shoddy writing.
Well, I think she did say that the room in which she was hiding was the only place on the ship that would disguise her life signs. Presumably, she would be detected as soon as she stepped outside. As for the shuttle, didn't some more of Lorca's supporters arrive and board the Charon? I have to watch it again, but if so, they would likely have have blown up any shuttle attempting to leave.
I think that what we were being told was that the only thing that would have saved Georgiou's reign was her guards, who were all dead. It was a coup whose purpose was to install a new Emporer.
Lorca's supporters did not just kill the guards. They killed as well the Lords of the Empire. This was a major cleaning of the Empire's government. With the annihilation of both factions and their leaders and the destruction of the Imperial Palace, the Empire will be torn asunder by civil war as there will be a seriious competition for the top spot. Whie this is happening, there is a multi-species rebellion led by the Fire Wolf or his successor. It's a testament to the strength of the Empire that there is still a Empire ten or so years later.
And to top it off, Jonathan Frakes stated on After Trek, that he had a hard time playing Thomas because essentially, he couldn't find the difference between the Thomas and Will characters.
Haha. I've literally called out the producers for their pisspoor direction and characterization with this series multiple times.
Third time I'm posting this;
This is who is mainly at fault for STD; Aaron Harbarts and Gretchen J Berg.
Terrible people to give the keys to the Star Trek universe to. They've turned it to complete shlock.
Like I said, post history. Instead of bringing up stuff already discussed.
I'm going with what Wikipedia describes as Mary Sue. If you don't like it, tough shit. Post all the YouTube videos you want.
Wikipedia Link
She's established as the foster sister of Spock. There's nothing inherently wrong with that but for the sake of argument, I'll give you that one.
Burnham didn't join the Academy at a young age, and seems to be a normal age as far as Star Trek characters go for where she is.
Unless you believe Michael Burnham is a representation of Bryan Fuller, she's not a self-insertion.
She has character development. We know her personality. We've seen her relationships. We've seen her warm up to characters, particularly Tilly who she was standoff-ish with at first and Saru who she used to always butt heads with.
She's also had to come to terms with the fact that Sarek is not as perfect as she thought and has to deal the realization she she spent years thinking she wasn't good enough for the Vulcan Science Academy when in fact Sarek just lied to her. She was very Vulcan at the beginning of the series, spent time in prison which hardened her, then was on Discovery when she began to decompress from what happened at the Battle of the Binary Stars and from the six months after, then when she found out Sarek wasn't upfront with her, she started to feel okay to grow more distant from being Vulcan.
She's on a discovery of what it means to be herself and not a Human Among Vulcans or Career Starfleet Person, since she didn't believe she'd have career beyond however long Lorca needed her. She's been trying to discover being just Michael Burnham. And she's getting used to Discovery and its crew which is different from the Shenzou and its crew.
On top of this, we're only 13 episodes in. For 13 episodes, there's character development. Whether or not it's character development you like is a different story.
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So, other than being the foster-sister of Spock, Michael Burnham fits no definition of being Mary Sue. She's just a character that some of you don't like.
On to the TV Tropes Page, which I'll compare against the Wikipedia Entry on "Mary Sue".
Wikipedia Link
She's established as the foster sister of Spock. There's nothing inherently wrong with that but for the sake of argument, I'll give you that one.
Burnham didn't join the Academy at a young age, and seems to be a normal age as far as Star Trek characters go for where she is.
Unless you believe Michael Burnham is a representation of Bryan Fuller, she's not a self-insertion.
She has character development. We know her personality. We've seen her relationships. We've seen her warm up to characters, particularly Tilly who she was standoff-ish with at first and Saru who she used to always butt heads with.
She's also had to come to terms with the fact that Sarek is not as perfect as she thought and has to deal the realization she she spent years thinking she wasn't good enough for the Vulcan Science Academy when in fact Sarek just lied to her. She was very Vulcan at the beginning of the series, spent time in prison which hardened her, then was on Discovery when she began to decompress from what happened at the Battle of the Binary Stars and from the six months after, then when she found out Sarek wasn't upfront with her, she started to feel okay to grow more distant from being Vulcan.
She's on a discovery of what it means to be herself and not a Human Among Vulcans or Career Starfleet Person, since she didn't believe she'd have career beyond however long Lorca needed her. She's been trying to discover being just Michael Burnham. And she's getting used to Discovery and its crew which is different from the Shenzou and its crew.
On top of this, we're only 13 episodes in. For 13 episodes, there's character development. Whether or not it's character development you like is a different story.
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So, other than being the foster-sister of Spock, Michael Burnham fits no definition of being Mary Sue. She's just a character that some of you don't like.
On to the TV Tropes Page, which I'll compare against the Wikipedia Entry on "Mary Sue".
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Are you issuing a BOLO? So are we supposed to shoot them on sight or something? Or just call the cops?Haha. I've literally called out the producers for their pisspoor direction and characterization with this series multiple times.
Third time I'm posting this;
This is who is mainly at fault for STD; Aaron Harbarts and Gretchen J Berg.
Terrible people to give the keys to the Star Trek universe to. They've turned it to complete shlock.
Like I said, post history. Instead of bringing up stuff already discussed.
Third time I'm posting this;
This is who is mainly at fault for STD; Aaron Harbarts and Gretchen J Berg.
Terrible people to give the keys to the Star Trek universe to. They've turned it to complete shlock.
What's the point of repeatedly posting the picture of them? To point out Gretchen Berg is fat?
With this level of maturity were playing with I think wants us to shit in a box and mail it off....
Wikipedia is just as 'meaningless' as Youtube, Garth.
The only difference with YT is you can get a good sense of how the current generation is using the term today. Whether you believe that is accurate or inaccurate to the origin of the term historically, it doesn't change the fact that 'Mary Sue' is very commonly used today to describe OP characters in genre fiction that are often pushed with agendas in mind.
Rey being the most recent example of this, and the discussion of whether Rey is a Mary Sue or not was everywhere... even on Collider Movie Talk and other big channels.
The current use of the Mary Sue term isn't going anywhere.
Mary-sue isn't commonly used. I've heard it used by a minority of people who don't like a character of a show here or there but don't actually know how to articulate why
And if you wanna take a crack at a definition go ahead. So far two different ones were debunked that ive seen, one by me and one by garth.
Here is a hint. Sci fi isn't a boys only club and chicks digging a character isn't a silly tv trope a couple of rage nerds like to toss around.
Yep, I wouldn't talk about maturity levels if I were you, considering the schlock on STD that you are defending.
Yeah enjoyable enough...Liked the Saru speech...hated the Georgiou twist...Cos I don't like the character.actress not the gender btw...Never a fan of MU so glad they are out of it...Waste of Isaacs really...Tbh I've lost a bit of enthusiasm for teh shwo since they started the whole MU lark....
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