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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x10 - "Despite Yourself"

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We've already seen transport inhibitors, which would certainly be in wide use with ground troops (so they can't be beamed away by the enemy). Life signs can also be masked, so the enemy won't see them coming.

Ground troop on floor radios to starship ‘they’re over there’ ship stuns them or cuts trench. Too mixed in? Sip stuns everyone, beams own troops out, cuts trench around area and beams in its own transport inhibitors. Instant prisoner of war camp. Starships, phasers, transporter beams...it’s a different world.
 
Cut a valley in front of ground troops with starship phasers where’s it gonna go? Take out troops with one photon torpedo, or stun then with ships phasers from orbit, what are they gonna do? Beam them out to your brig, what they gonna do? Etc etc. Want to stop your enemy even landing troops? Stick a starship in orbit. But it was wrong episode xD starships change the rules.
Another Star Empire's military might have defenses and have ground troops equipped with gear that could mitigate (or make survivable) a bombardment from orbit. These are Rebels probably using outdated tech with no real government or actual trained military to fight back. They use Terror and Guerrilla tactics.
 
If you believe ground troops are so useless, then explain "The Siege of AR-558".

Or the heavily-armed landing party with infantry weapons sent down to Nimbus III in TFF. Or the Starfleet infantry forces and ground units under the command of Colonel West in Star Trek VI.
 
Or the heavily-armed landing party with infantry weapons sent down to Nimbus III in TFF. Or the Starfleet infantry forces and ground units under the command of Colonel West in Star Trek VI.

Colonel West is a deleted scene tbh, never got on with it.
Nimbus Three and AR are both Starfleet security officers, not a standing ground army. My point has never been ‘people don’t fight on the ground anymore’ just ‘dedicated ground troops and large scale ground based warfare are obselete’.
But it’s in the wrong episode discussion. XD
 
Rubbish.

You have to clear buildings if you want to take a city intact.

Sure Star Ships can turn a city into a hole in the ground, but who wants to control/own a swiss cheese planet with no cities?
 
Sending troops down to a planet is just giving the locals some targets to fire at. This will empower the resistance, even if their kill ratio is something like 1:20,000. But sending down a cloud of germs and then withholding the antidote will strip the locals of all power... Data had it right in "Ensigns of Command": resistance is futile.

OTOH, firing at stun from orbit is likely to kill the elderly, the young and the cute puppies and kittens before it will start to have any impact on well-protected fighting forces. "A Piece of the Action" was quite an anomaly in that said fighting forces were all out in the open, wearing felt hats for protection, with the molls and babies hunkering in stone buildings!

As for Nimbus III, the opponents were wielding sharpened avocados and pebble guns - hardly a case either for or against planetary assault. Were the roles reversed and our heroes had the pebble gatlings while the baddies had the pebble-proof riot shields and phasers, score one for the baddies.

In short, we never saw infantry warfare in Trek. But we did hear of shipments of troops, so supposedly some sort of manpower-intensive fighting was going on nevertheless.

Clearly there's none in DSC, though. Burnham got about 8,000 people killed in the first day of the war. Half a year later, when Harry Mudd comes to pay a visit, the total count of fallen is 10,000...

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Rubbish.

You have to clear buildings if you want to take a city intact.

Sure Star Ships can turn a city into a hole in the ground, but who wants to control/own a swiss cheese planet with no cities?
Well, you could theoretically use the transporter to clear enemy cities by scanning for and locking onto random life signs, particularly ones where personal weapons show up on the scans. If you're Federation, you bring them up to one or more prison/colony starships in low orbit. If you're Empire, you space 'em. Cuts down on ground losses when mop-up operations go after targets that the transporters can't get to, either in shielded areas or deep inside tunnels. You do still need ground forces to do that and occupy strategic ground-based targets.
 
Starfleet security are mall cops. You can't beat the klingins with mall cops.
No, but former science officer Janeway can use a bat'leth to beat up a Borg?

I mean, I know that Starfleet Security ain't great, but Starfleet has had their moments, and are still a dominant power.
 
No, but former science officer Janeway can use a bat'leth to beat up a Borg?

I mean, I know that Starfleet Security ain't great, but Starfleet has had their moments, and are still a dominant power.

That’s Starfleet. Sciences the shit out of it enemies...the security dudes are just there to provide a career path for the sports addicted types.
 
Certainly the A-team did.
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They held off the Klingons when they attacked DS9.
So did Garrack and Gul Dukat.

Hell, Jake Sisko held off a platoon of Klingons in "Nor the Battle to the Strong," which is literally the entire point of that episode's title.

Though, in fairness, Klingons in the 24th century haven't been involved in a real war in like 50 years and have spent most of their time reliving the glory days in holodecks or getting into drunken bar fights on the homeworld. Even the fighting in "Redemption" feels kind of amateurish at times, more like a series of drive-by shootings than an actual military conflict.
 
Starfleet also had photon grenade launchers shaped exactly like mortars, a weapon typically associated with ground troops and infantry who need to use artillery in surface assaults on enemies. My guess is that Starfleet does have a dedicated surface assault force and we know Colonel West was the CO of a unit of such personnel. There are too many indications that the Federation isn't just a spaceborne-only military force that never sends ground forces down to planets. Even if you don't count the Nimbus III operation the photon grenade launcher and the existence of West and his forces indicate there are surface warfare units under training and kept on-hand if needed.
 
I'm about two weeks late watching this episode, but I liked it. My 'benchmark' for the Mirror Universe is DS9's version of the story, and what Discovery presented in this episode felt very much like the DS9-era MU, which is good.

I liked getting to see characters like Tilly and Burnham have to "play-act" as their MU selves, but wish we'd seen more from the MU natives they encountered so that it felt a little less like they were in fact "play-acting".

Speaking of "play-acting", I'm aware of things that have happened since this episode aired, and it's consequently a little hard to buy into the narrative the writers are trying to sell in regards to Tyler and Lorca. When you've been spoiled to the fact that Lorca is actually from the MU, his actions in this episode make little sense and ring hollow at a point in the story where they're not supposed to.

Despite Yourself, on the whole, is a nice (re)introduction to the MU and has some genuinely fun moments, even though some of its conceits don't really hope up in the larger scope of the story.
 
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