Is Star Trek V canon?
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ok it was all a dream thenAll it really proves is that the crew got their picture taken on that particular bridge design at some point.Heck, and perhaps it's just a backdrop.
Coming in late, but...
There was also that storyline, in the two movies right before TFF, where they got close enough to a Klingon ship that they could steal it and ride it home.
There was also that storyline, in the two movies right before TFF, where they got close enough to a Klingon ship that they could steal it and ride it home.
"Spitting on their faces?" Really, now ... and ...This is where I found some of the info about Gene wanting to decanonise stuff. Its from TREKBBS but I didn't know how to find it here. The source is user PMBLOCK (allegedly Paula Block) who used to work with GR so I'm taking her word for it. She even said GR wanted to get rid of all of TOS once TNG got successful. Also the stuff that Gene says in the TMP novelisation where Kirk (to summarise) says that some of his adventures have been exaggerated - implying that some TOS stuff didn't happen
Its like GR is spitting on the TOS fans faces.
http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/HateMail/RSA/TrekBBS-2.pdf
I wish TOS hadn't been included in GEN. The meeting between Picard and Kirk wasn't monumental and probably gave Stewart the idea if Shatner could ask for horses then he could ask for a dune buggy.
I happen to LIKE the dune buggy! ... It's very C00L!!!
Thanks very much! It was fun to do. In fact, I'm revising & expanding it a bit, adding a few screencaps from TrekCore, and turning it into a column for the site I contribute to, AtomicJunkShop.com. Heck, it's mostly written already...
Alas, I would not be the guy for that. I know TOS much better than any of the subsequent shows, most of which I haven't rewatched since they first aired. Heck, I haven't even seen all of VOY, since I gave up on the show somewhere in season two or three. Attempting to do a similar project with one of sequel shows would be a lot like work.That's fairly impressive...and surprising...
But now try doing it for TNG/DS9/VOY.
You bet it is.^That's quitter talk!
Look I understand - GR has to support himself and TOS was gone and TNG was pulling in the cash.
However when people go like GR would roll in his grave if he saw Discovery or the Kelvin movies. I think well he'd fully support them if he was getting a share of the cash. So lets not go around worshipping GR unless you want to worship him by loving Seasons 1 and 2 of TNG.
As to the Dune Buggy . I say I love it as much as I loved the horses in STV. But the Dune Buggy stuff is not nearly as bad as the attempted comedy associated with Data's disembodied head.- also in the Dune Buggy.
Gene would have loved Discovery
Yeah, Roddenberry would do anything for money. He was, after all, a television producer.
And I remember there was, a long time ago, a poster on TrekBBS who was a Roddenberry-purist. He went by the moniker The God-Thing. His "canon" was about half of the original series, TMP, and TNG season one, as I recall.
for the love of Gene, don't say that name three times in a row
I remember him.
Yeah, Roddenberry would do anything for money. He was, after all, a television producer.
And I remember there was, a long time ago, a poster on TrekBBS who was a Roddenberry-purist. He went by the moniker The God-Thing. His "canon" was about half of the original series, TMP, and TNG season one, as I recall.
It was TOS Seasons 1 and 2 (pilots included), TAS, TMP, and TNG until "Hero Worship" which was the episode shooting when Gene Roddenberry died.
You couldn't get any more purist than him.
I idolise Gene Roddenberry! He was a self-made Man who went from being a World War II pilot, to street cop to Hollywood Legend. That's the American Dream & the only way he could've topped that was if he'd been an immigrant. But I completely agree that GR would've had NO problems with Discovery OR the Kelvin movies or anything else "new" that's been done with the franchise. He'd gone on record that he clearly understood and expected that STAR TREK would go on to entertain on a level he hadn't done, in ways he had nothing to do with and ... he was way cool with that. It did not bother him ... at all. By the same token, yeah ... when you've got a cash cow to milk, you milk it ... which he did, with TNG. That's it and all about it.
He did object to the militaristic tone the movies took after TMP and clashed with Harve Bennett and Nick Meyer a lot. I don't know how much of that was differing creative visions and how much of it was really just he couldn't stand having control of the films taken away from him. I think it's a little from both columns...
... but if he thought the TOS Films were too militaristic, I have to wonder what he would've thought of DSC and pro-war late-DS9. If he was willing to let anything fly, he wouldn't have gone out of his way to contact his lawyer because he wanted 15 minutes of content he objected to removed from TUC.
I think Posthumous-TNG, most of VOY, ENT (except for maybe The Xindi Arc), and The Orville are more things Gene would more approve of. It's Star Trek (or an emulation in ORV's case) but evolving and changing with the times.
The Kelvin Films, I don't know. In his 1986 introduction to "The Cage" (which can be found on YouTube), he said he wanted to make Star Trek not as simple as "Good Guys vs. Bad Guys". I don't think he really stuck to this in TOS but during his later years, it seemed like he would be more adamant. Unless said Bad Guys represented the worst traits of 20th Century Humanity (the Ferengi) or an enemy to individuality itself (the Borg).
... but if he thought the TOS Films were too militaristic, I have to wonder what he would've thought of DSC and pro-war late-DS9. If he was willing to let anything fly, he wouldn't have gone out of his way to contact his lawyer because he wanted 15 minutes of content he objected to removed from TUC.
I think Posthumous-TNG, most of VOY, ENT (except for maybe The Xindi Arc), and The Orville are more things Gene would more approve of. It's Star Trek (or an emulation in ORV's case) but evolving and changing with the times.
The Kelvin Films, I don't know. In his 1986 introduction to "The Cage" (which can be found on YouTube), he said he wanted to make Star Trek not as simple as "Good Guys vs. Bad Guys". I don't think he really stuck to this in TOS but during his later years, it seemed like he would be more adamant. Unless said Bad Guys represented the worst traits of 20th Century Humanity (the Ferengi) or an enemy to individuality itself (the Borg).
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