Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x10 - "Despite Yourself"

[eschaton]

It means you will never understand what straight women find appealing..and why.

Same reason why I don't get why being a blonde haired and blue eyed female is generally, considered the number 1 on the human, beauty totem pole....(propaganda from European fairy tales methinks).

Although I married a blond woman, that wasn't really my preference, it was just about my wife in particular (I was more into short, dark Jewish or Italian women). Ended up with two blond kids out of the deal, although they're both darkening as childhood continues, and will almost certainly have brown hair as adults (my son even has dark brown eyes with blond hair, so there's no way he's keeping his color).

Regardless, I understand that some women like the whole Adrien Brody tall gangly guy with big nose. I just don't think Shazad Latif in particular is anything more than average looking. SMG is absolutely a beautiful woman however. Anyone who can't see that either thinks black women are ugly or is inherently biased against women cast in roles which don't have them showing off a lot of skin.

 

[Tuskin38]

Or discovery universe is not the regular universe.

It is the prime universe.

A few thoughts--

First, going to the mirror universe would be a pretty significant adventure that would be known in Starfleet, which means Kirk and crew would have a strong idea what happened in Mirror Mirror because they would know about Discovery. This would be even more true if the mirror Discovery would have appeared in the prime universe, doing who knows what...

I think it's a big time cop out to say, "well, nothing says they can't go there," or "it was top secret."

First, why would it be top secret? It's not like time travel where you can alter history. If anything, it would serve as a warning as to what can go wrong and as an example of how proud the Federation should be that they managed to get so many races to get along.

Second, if this is the mirror universe, and the Empire is humans only, how is it that Spock is a member of the Enterprise crew? Even if he were some sort of Vulcan rebel, why would the humans allow him on the ship in such a position of authority?

Now that the Discovery knows of the Defiant's fate, isn't it their duty to save the lives of those people when they get back to their own universe (unless they never will get back, which would be a very interesting turn of events).

It will probably be classified because of the Spore Drive.

 

[Hey Missy]

So is the premature discovery of the Mirror Universe just another one of those "we won't talk about it until Kirk finds it" things?
Such is the nature of a prequel series...

 

[GeekUSACarl]

So is the premature discovery of the Mirror Universe just another one of those "we won't talk about it until Kirk finds it" things?
Such is the nature of a prequel series...

Its classified

 

[Tuskin38]

So is the premature discovery of the Mirror Universe just another one of those "we won't talk about it until Kirk finds it" things?
Such is the nature of a prequel series...

Well according to Voyager Starfleet was researching the Borg before the Ent-D even encountered them.

Wouldn't be the first time something like that happened.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Not to mention nobody (except the Captain) knowing about the "Omega Directive" until they came within close proximity to an Omega Particle.

 

[Bandini]

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Can Burnham turn evil and try to become the empress is this universe ?

 

[eschaton]

It is the prime universe.

That isn't exactly what the showrunners said. They said the show "takes place in the prime universe." That leaves a bit of wiggle room where the show might not have started in the prime universe, but ends up there.

 

[Albinator]

That isn't exactly what the showrunners said. They said the show "takes place in the prime universe." That leaves a bit of wiggle room where the show might not have started in the prime universe, but ends up there.

It's the prime universe.

So is the premature discovery of the Mirror Universe just another one of those "we won't talk about it until Kirk finds it" things?
Such is the nature of a prequel series...

Let's wait till we see how the story plays out before declaring it a huge plot hole. Others have said this, but the fact that they need the Defiant to return home is enough reason to withhold the existence of the mirror universe from Starfleet, to ensure the events occur as they must.

 

[Romulan_spy]

Not to mention nobody (except the Captain) knowing about the "Omega Directive" until they came within close proximity to an Omega Particle.

It is not unreasonable to think that the existence of the Mirror Universe would be kept secret from everyone except the top brass of Starfleet. After all, the mirror universe is a very dangerous place that poses a grave threat to the Federation.

 

[eschaton]

It's the prime universe.

My headcannon says otherwise, at least for now - if only because the showrunners have also said the Klingons are bald "for now" - implying they won't be at some point. Which (unless the Discovery mucks up with Klingon prehistory via time travel) suggests to me they'll end up in a slightly different universe where the Klingons have hair.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I was thinking, if ISS discovery is in the regular universe, what is it doing?

I would think that the ISS Discovery crew would be found out in short order. They'd be far too barbaric to ever be able to pose as their "Federation" counterparts. In fact I'd guess that the ISS Discovery has probably already been destroyed.

Remember, in "Mirror, Mirror", when the Mirror landing party finds themselves aboard the regular Enterprise, they are immediately discovered and locked up by Spock, but MU Spock takes awhile before he realizes that the landing party *he* finds, are not normal Imperial personnel.

It's easy for civilized people to cosplay as barbarians, but the reverse just doesn't work.

And besides, the only reason the USS Discovery crew ever knew where they were, and how to act, was because they had a convienent Klingon/Vulcan data core to find, so they had plenty of time to prepare. The ISS crew wouldn't have that. And they'd be far too slow on the uptake to be able to take advantage of one, in any case.

 

[Noname Given]

To be brutally honest, I don't see how the Klingon War can be wrapped up so fast.

Unless it's 1) a ceasefire, or 2) Mirror Discovery unintentionally does all the dirty work for Starfleet, bringing the Empire to its knees, and the Federation takes advantage of it.

Or 3) the war is won off-screen, conventionally. A story possibility I like the least.

It will probably be some form of "Option 2" - as the Federation and Klingon Empire declare full scale war on each other again in another 9-10 years in TOS - "Errand of Mercy" and that war is only stopped so quickly because of the intervention of the Organians.

 

[Noname Given]

I'm wondering if we should take anyone's death in this show seriously? It's all a big cheat. Culber will surface again somehow some way. Georgiou too.

Sort of wondering about Mirror Tyler. Is there one?

They're following TOS. In TOS:
- Kirk was "killed" twice (TOS - "Amok Time" and "The Enterprise Incident") -- both were 'fake outs" for story purposes.
- Scotty once (TOS - "The Changling") - Scotty was actually fully killed - and repaired by NOMAD.
- McCoy once (TOS - "Shore Leave") - McCoy was also fully killed and repaired by aliens.

 

[jaime]

My headcannon says otherwise, at least for now - if only because the showrunners have also said the Klingons are bald "for now" - implying they won't be at some point. Which (unless the Discovery mucks up with Klingon prehistory via time travel) suggests to me they'll end up in a slightly different universe where the Klingons have hair.

The human/Klingon hybrid that is Voq will cure the augment virus, spread it via the spore network when he and Burnham join with it, TMP, style, and as a result, the network is killed but the Klingons get their groove...I mean hair...back. The current look is the result of failed attempts to cure the augment virus. Boom. Next week, how I use The Sisko to fold the Kelvin Timeline into a bow.

 

[jaime]

I would think that the ISS Discovery crew would be found out in short order. They'd be far too barbaric to ever be able to pose as their "Federation" counterparts. In fact I'd guess that the ISS Discovery has probably already been destroyed.

Remember, in "Mirror, Mirror", when the Mirror landing party finds themselves aboard the regular Enterprise, they are immediately discovered and locked up by Spock, but MU Spock takes awhile before he realizes that the landing party *he* finds, are not normal Imperial personnel.

It's easy for civilized people to cosplay as barbarians, but the reverse just doesn't work.

And besides, the only reason the USS Discovery crew ever knew where they were, and how to act, was because they had a convienent Klingon/Vulcan data core to find, so they had plenty of time to prepare. The ISS crew wouldn't have that. And they'd be far too slow on the uptake to be able to take advantage of one, in any case.

The Klingon Armada has probably already destroyed the Mirror Disco and declared it a great victory for the Empire. It’s gonna piss them right off when the real Disco exits the MU above Kronos. Yes I used the Federation spelling. XD

 

[Noname Given]

Spock's entire existence makes no sense if the Terran Empire is humans only. How could a human breed with an alien, unless Sarek raped her? And if that happened, why would humanity allow Spock onto the Enterprise? And it was clear from Mirror Mirror that the humans and Vulcans had a very similar working relationship. When Spock threatened vengeance should he be murdered, he brought up that some of his friends are Vulcans, implying 1) Vulcans are badasses that strike fear into people, and 2) they are friendly with an Empire officer.

Really? Amanda is Human. IF Amanda found Sarek attractive (yes, it would be scandalous/decadent, but if Amanda's family is powerful, it might be indulged, etc.) As for why Sarek would consent - obviously it helps his standing within the Empire in some positive way.

Bottom Line: there's more than enough ways "Spock" being a half-Human/Half-Vulcan makes sense and would exist in the Terran Empire and be able to attain the position we see him in in TOS - "Mirror, Mirror".

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

The current look is the result of failed attempts to cure the augment virus.

I actually like that idea...

 

[eschaton]

The human/Klingon hybrid that is Voq will cure the augment virus, spread it via the spore network when he and Burnham join with it, TMP, style, and as a result, the network is killed but the Klingons get their groove...I mean hair...back. The current look is the result of failed attempts to cure the augment virus. Boom. Next week, how I use The Sisko to fold the Kelvin Timeline into a bow.

You forgot the part where Discovery gets stranded in the Delta Quadrant.

 

[JD]

I finally got around to watching the episode this morning and I really enjoyed.
Since pretty much everyone expected them to be in the Mirror Universe, I wasn't surprised by the reveal, but I do like it. I find the whole idea of the Discovery having to go undercover in the MU a lot more interesting than war with the Klingons.
I'm glad to see we're closing in on the Tyler/Voq reveal.
I've seen some people predicting that Lorca was from the Mirror Universe, and the stuff revealed about Mirror Lorca in this one actually makes that seem more likely.
Tilly as the MU Discovery captain was fun.
I'm disappointed they apparently killed Culber, and I'm really hoping since this is Trek they'll find a way for him to survive or be revived.