I would suspect he wouldn't be let free given who's inside him, or part of him, or however one would put it. Will be interesting how they deal with him knowing Tyler is there, but so manipulated.
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It’s usually the Oxbridge set and mates. British Emt is very nepotistic (cumberbatch is entertainment class, not even middle class, his parents are actors or casting producers or something...and to be fair to him, he worked his way up from a bit part in spooks. Idris for me was the awesome dude in Ultraviolet way back when.) Once you take nepotism and mates doing mates a favour out, there’s almost no way in to acting in the UK for less than privileged beginnings. I once got a scholarship for Drama school myself, but it was so long and time intensive, there was no way to actually work, eat and sleep doing that. (Ironically, it was one of the old feeder schools for Eastenders and The Bill. Like Anna Scher etc.) So I didn’t. It’s oddly true even in places that you think would have more opportunity for working class etc peoples (London basically. It’s staggering how few working class Londoners ever manage to make it through to an acting career, when you really think about it. Almost all have either switched career, or turn out to secretly be quite rich and from Surrey or something.)
Acting is the ultimate ‘not what you know but who you know’ over here, (look at the silly equity union card set up...not allowed to act professionally without one, can’t get one without professionally acting...so how do you get one? Ah. Lucky breaks, mates rates and go to oxbridge.)
I can literally think of 2 international successes...Idris and Simon (Pegg.) the others had a foot on the ladder, or haven’t made it internationally. (Colin Salmon maybe. I don’t know much of his background, and not sure supporting g actor in Brosnan Bond cuts it.)
The days of Michael Caine may as well be the days of Charlie Chaplin. I think the way the British Film industry has degenerated into ‘gritty drama (insert northern and or fake cockney gangster as necessary)’ ‘period drama (merchant ivory)’ or ‘posh Rom com with the usual ex-footlight faces’ probably has a lot to do with that, and the BAME actor difficulties in some way grow out of that. If Gainsborough film studios were still going, by now we probably would have a lot more class and race representation just by virtue of its location. These days your best hope is that there’s a casting for a new token ethnic family in Eastenders, that might give you a career for a couple of years, but that’s it. Even the Bills gone.
Latif I saw in Black Mirror episode one in a very minor role, but I gave up that after episode one tbh, and it’s an anthology. I think the film industry internationally needs a proper shake up...atm it’s dynasties and rich kids playthings, with an odd kind of segregation in place with things like the Hackney Empire sometimes feeling like a novelty ghetto theatre rather than what it’s really wanting to be which is a positive beacon of multiethnic London.
Sigh.
It’s a strange world when you have reached the point of really missing The Bill, for all it’s faults.
Ethan Phillips was given bad material for Neelix, but on the rare occasions he was given something meatier (like Jetrel, Fair Trade, and especially Mortal Coil) he put in a great performance.
I was actually just thinking that Latif is barely brown at all. I had a friend growing up who was Jewish who looked like he could have been Latif's brother, and no one would have called him a person of color.
It's not unusual for empires to subjugate people into military service, whatever they may think of them from a racial perspective.
He is of Pakistani, Scottish and English descent. If his Pakistani heritage is Caucasian, then yes he is not a POC'.
All of them.
I'm a Cadet/Captain Tilly fan in all her optimistic foam-allergy-snoring-hell-for-leather-I-WILL-order-the-salsa glory. She's fucking cool.
Ah yes - the "Deliverance Effect".
I think Tilly has great potential as a character.
All of this. All of it.
I'm 100% a fan of Tilly & Mary Wiseman, in either universe.
Those who can't see the point of Tilly, beyond comic relief, are sadly blind themselves. Elaboration to follow.
First, Tilly serves to humanize the whole crew, and Burnham in particular. She wisely gets Burnham to talk with her (you must have a lot of other friends) & is the first to accept her, despite Tilly being a social outcast too and wanting to fit in. She breaks the rules to help Burnham with the Tardigrade & at other times. She starts Burnham & Ash down their road. She is the social/human conscience of the show like McCoy was on TOS, Tripp on Enterprise, etc.
Tilly also serves the everyman/young person role. Like Checkov/Wesley/Jake-Nog/Kim on previous Trek shows.
Furthermore, she does this better than those previous roles by not only being funnier, but also because she looks like a normal person. Unusual in Trek for a female character (both Uhura's, Troi, Tasha, Dax, Kira, Kes, Seven, T'Pal) who is dressed like a regular crew member (DIS is the first Trek not to dress up at least 1 female lead differently). It enhances her everyone persona.
Lastly, I am pretty suspicious of those who don't seem to get any of this & instead bash her appearance and/or make statements that are factually incorrect (no cadets on ships: Nog, Enterprise in Generations, DS9 episodes, etc).
Look, it is fine to disagree on a character. I seek not to chill discussion. But Tilly's character does have a purpose beyond comic relief & sunshine (Phlox was the ENT optimist) & we have had cadets before. Those are facts.
Those who can't see the point of Tilly, beyond comic relief, are sadly blind themselves. Elaboration to follow.
First, Tilly serves to humanize the whole crew, and Burnham in particular. She wisely gets Burnham to talk with her (you must have a lot of other friends) & is the first to accept her, despite Tilly being a social outcast too and wanting to fit in. She breaks the rules to help Burnham with the Tardigrade & at other times. She starts Burnham & Ash down their road. She is the social/human conscience of the show like McCoy was on TOS, Tripp on Enterprise, etc.
Tilly also serves the everyman/young person role. Like Checkov/Wesley/Jake-Nog/Kim on previous Trek shows.
Furthermore, she does this better than those previous roles by not only being funnier, but also because she looks like a normal person. Unusual in Trek for a female character (both Uhura's, Troi, Tasha, Dax, Kira, Kes, Seven, T'Pal) who is dressed like a regular crew member (DIS is the first Trek not to dress up at least 1 female lead differently). It enhances her everyone persona.
Lastly, I am pretty suspicious of those who don't seem to get any of this & instead bash her appearance and/or make statements that are factually incorrect (no cadets on ships: Nog, Enterprise in Generations, DS9 episodes, etc).
Look, it is fine to disagree on a character. I seek not to chill discussion. But Tilly's character does have a purpose beyond comic relief & sunshine (Phlox was the ENT optimist) & we have had cadets before. Those are facts.
Yeah, that's a good one. I speak with a bit of a southern accent and take shit from *some* people who, for some reason, think just because we talk with an accent means we are evil, bigoted, and stupid without getting to know us.
Maybe that's why I have a tendency to like Lorca as a captain and give him the benefit of the doubt. I'm really hoping they don't turn him into a villain. I can live with morally ambiguous though. I like how they have made him complex.
No way I'm posting my pics again lol.
I met someone from Texas once and to my eternal shame I was really surprised when he turned out to be a massive Democrat votin' liberal who didn't like guns. Was proper like
"oh, I totally assumed you were, y'know."
"A (Very Stereotypical Southern Republican)?"
"...I mean, I didn't, I wasn't,..."
"It's ok I get that a lot"
"oh, I totally assumed you were, y'know."
"A (Very Stereotypical Southern Republican)?"
"...I mean, I didn't, I wasn't,..."
"It's ok I get that a lot"
Great post. I too love the Tilly character. She's like the McCoy of the new show (not personality-wise, but from the standpoint of this being the character we see the universe through).
I also think that anyone who is making insensitive comments about her physical appearance should look at themselves in the mirror first (literally and figuratively). How the hell do you measure up??
If I had a daughter, this is exactly the kind of hero I'd want her to see on the TV screen...someone who is strong, smart, driven, funny and naturally beautiful inside and out (and not conformed to some narrow, ugly notion of what "female beauty" should be).
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