Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x10 - "Despite Yourself"

[mos6507]

He was a full commander or at the very least a lieutenant commander and a trained physician, a lot like Dr. M'Benga on TOS. Did you have issues with M'Benga whenever he appeared? Was he part of a late '60s diversity agenda?

The difference in diversity then vs. now is it was about telling a good story first, showing off diversity second. Now it's the reverse.

 

[Tuskin38]

BTS video of the Connor/Burnham fight, doesn't appear to be american only, I can watch it.

https://twitter.com/abaiers/status/950239393565978624

 

[Lord Garth]

The difference in diversity then vs. now is it was about telling a good story first, showing off diversity second. Now it's the reverse.

Bullshit. DSC has the most solid storytelling that Star Trek has had in a long time.

 

[Tuskin38]

The difference in diversity then vs. now is it was about telling a good story first, showing off diversity second. Now it's the reverse.

It still is good story first.

 

[mos6507]

Bullshit. DSC has the most solid storytelling that Star Trek has had in a long time.

44% of RT user reviewers disagree.

It still is good story first.

Rampaging tardigrades are not "good story".

 

[Lord Garth]

44% is a mathematical minority if you want to go with the fallacy of Appeal to Authority.

 

[Tuskin38]

Rampaging tardigrades are not "good story".

that was only one story out of 10 so far, and it was one of the good ones.

 

[Mudd]

44% is a mathematical minority if you want to go with the fallacy of Appeal to Authority.

If you're electing a President, that matters.

If you're curious about the enthusiasm of the audience for a piece of entertainment...it also matters. In a different way.

 

[Jayson1]

It's actually a common trope that villains are coded as gay or queer in some way. Disney is particular has a long history of this. For example, Ursula from The Little Mermaid was designed to resemble Divine, the drag queen from John Waters' movies. They had actually made moves to hire him to be the voice actor, but he died before anything could happen.

I can see that but at the same time you also got the idea that people love the villians so it seems like a mixed message at best. In fact many people tend to root for them over the hero. Also are they selling gayness as being bad or being provocative?. Something that goes against tradition and what was mainstream back then. As someone who I admit is kind of into kinky stuff I have noticed this trend also goes beyond just being gay but anything that isn't just old traditional views on sex. A movie like "Secretary" is built off the notion of bondage being super provocative or frankly any movie that has done anything about casual sex also seems to work off that same notion as well. Basically sex and romance is just suppose to be a straight white guy and a straight white lady getting married, having missionary style sex and then having children. Anything else is sold as being bold and edgy.

Jason

 

[Lord Garth]

If you're electing a President, that matters.

If you're curious about the enthusiasm of the audience for a piece of entertainment...it also matters. In a different way.

More people who watch DSC like it than don't.

On another note, I'm glad that a certain someone's approval rating is currently in the 30s.

 

[XCV330]

44% of RT user reviewers disagree.

http://www.newsweek.com/did-alt-rig...otten-tomatoes-score-trump-fan-unhappy-754901
I don't kid myself that the swine that tried to do that to Star Wars would not do that to DSC. Considering its lower hanging fruit and an easier target, I'd say its more than likely.

 

[Mudd]

More people who watch DSC like it than don't.

Which means, of course, that they're in continual danger of just losing close to half of their viewers.

You can't spin that 56% as an encouraging number, sorry. You can only insist that it doesn't matter - and it probably doesn't.

 

[Lord Garth]

44% of RT user reviewers disagree.

If you're electing a President, that matters.

If you're curious about the enthusiasm of the audience for a piece of entertainment...it also matters. In a different way.

Which means, of course, that they're in continual danger of just losing close to half of their viewers.

You can't spin that 56% as an encouraging number, sorry. You can only insist that it doesn't matter - and it probably doesn't.

I feel like the two of us have switched places from ENT to DSC.

We'll see where it goes.

 

[guyute03]

more medals

 

[mattyhugh]

Which means, of course, that they're in continual danger of just losing close to half of their viewers.

You can't spin that 56% as an encouraging number, sorry. You can only insist that it doesn't matter - and it probably doesn't.

User ratings on the internet are a flawed metric. Especially when it comes to loud reactionary corners of pop culture fandoms. ie Star Trek, Star Wars, Ghostbusters, Doctor Who

 

[Awesome Possum]

The difference in diversity then vs. now is it was about telling a good story first, showing off diversity second. Now it's the reverse.

I don’t think you understand storytelling or diversity.

 

[Nerys Myk]

more medals

Did they recycle some Movie rank pins for those?

 

[Awesome Possum]

User ratings on the internet are a flawed metric. Especially when it comes to loud reactionary corners of pop culture fandoms. ie Star Trek, Star Wars, Ghostbusters, Doctor Who

Especially when you have groups who admit to gaming the system to try and prove a point like in the case of the recent Star Wars. It’s far from representative of the actual audience.

 

[Jayson1]

One question in terms of how popular the show is that has to be asked is if it's so popular that it justifies the costs to keep making new episodes? I think right now the answer is, yes. It will be interesting what the Quentin Tarantino movie will do for the show. Will it make people more curious to watch the new Trek show or will "Discovery" look so inferior to what that movie will be that people might loose interest. People might begin to wonder why the show can't be that edgy. Also what impact will any new show that is created also impact it. For some reason people need to feel competive about this stuff. Kind of like it is right now with "Orville" or in the past it was "DS9" vs "Babylon 5" or "Star Trek" vs "Star Wars" or even "TNG" vs "DS9" because "DS9" I honestly believe didn't become a bigger hit because it was to different from what people were use to from watching "TNG."

Jason

 

[BeatleJWOL]

Edit to add: then again, would they change such a minor detail for the TV viewing audience?.... unless we actually get an up-close view of it.

They changed the hull, so anything's possible.

The only “agenda” is representation.

Truly, a terrifying prospect.

And secondly, and most importantly, the Bury Your Gays trope on Star Trek, really? For Trek's first gay couple? In their first season?

I find their comments rather naive and the fact they didn't mean it to be a trope example is not really an excuse. Actually, the fact they knew about the tendency for gay characters to die, were aware of the impact that had on the community, and yet did it anyway, kind of makes it worse.

The actor in question would appear to disagree:

We saw this Dr. Culber get presumably killed by Tyler but could we see Dr. Culber again? Is this really the end?

Yes. We will see Dr. Culber again. This is an epic love story. Yes. You will be experiencing highs and lows, triumphs and disappoints as you would in any relationship. And what we’re doing is inviting you to go on the journey of this relationship and the roller coaster ride that it is. And this is just one chapter in their story. And where we’re going to take you, I think, is incredibly exciting. And this had to happen in order for us to go there.

So, you know, what we’re all doing, what we’re doing now is asking the audience to trust us. This is not a bury your gays, kill your gays trope storyline. This is a chapter in this relationship and even Paul and Hugh have no idea what’s about to go down. And, you know, I give people permission to be sad on Sunday, I think that’s appropriate. I think we will all go through some stages of grief, and I think that’s okay. I think that’s why we make TV, you know? We take you on this trip. And this is part of it.

https://www.inverse.com/article/39984-star-trek-discovery-dr-culber-death-wilson-cruz-love

It's both.

Voyager was not STV, Enterprise was not STE, and Discovery is not STD. Period.

my personal preference 'Discovery'.

Fitting with the other single-word title/subtitle shows. Use that.