Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x10 - "Despite Yourself"

[cultcross]

It was more about the fact they are the most natural couple on the show, and Culber is probably the most conscientious and human character on board. When he gets his neck snapped, it hurts the audience. It would not have mattered what his sexual identity was. That's good story telling. There's only one other romantic couple on board and Ash wasn't about to snap his own neck. Maybe he will later.

And Tara's death on Buffy was part of the most natural, human couple on the show, hurt the audience, and it didn't matter what her sexual identity was. Nobody kills off the gay character because they're gay, but somehow, they always seem to die.

watch the after trek, the writers gave this a lot of thought. Don't be so quick to judge.

Actually, I read the full article published on their thoughts before 'judging'. I find their comments rather naive and the fact they didn't mean it to be a trope example is not really an excuse. Actually, the fact they knew about the tendency for gay characters to die, were aware of the impact that had on the community, and yet did it anyway, kind of makes it worse.

 

[Tuskin38]

What the Terran ribbons/medals mean from After Trek, some of them are from/inspired by ENT and TOS

 

[GhostLoveScore]

Wow...that's um...something I'm sure we all are looking forward to!

I don't really know what this is supposed to mean, but what I meant to say was that I will watch the episodes so that I can be negative about it. I can't really say - the episode is shit when I didn't see it. When I see it, then I can say that.

And by the way, aren't you all a bit too generous with the ratings? 10? You are saying that this is your favourite episode of all Trek? And I've seen many people rating Discovery 8-10. Really? You are saying that 10 out of 15 best trek episodes EVER are from Discovery?

 

[matthunter]

Didn't Culber's dialogue suggest that there was some sort of work done to hide the fact Tyler's bones had been crushed so he'd pass the initial Starfleet medical scans, and this work was wearing off?

Actually, Culber says that they DID notice the massive scarring but the analysis was that this was consistent with torture. Only on a closer look did he note a pattern to it.

 

[Lord Garth]

Well I’ve had 2 moderators pick at me because I don’t agree with their consensus. Moderators are in charge here and are threatening me because I don’t like how discovery is made.

I was a moderator for six years, so I can weigh in. People can disagree with each other but the problem is making sexist comments, talking about "social justice warriors" -- which I assume you know is hot-button and would provoke response -- and doubling down on it after it did.

 

[cultcross]

How does one 'survive a mortal wound'?

 

[GhostLoveScore]

How does one 'survive a mortal wound'?

By injecting magical mushroom spores into him.

 

[ISS-Magnum]

Or, since everything is a mirror of itself... EMPEROR SARU?!?

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

"Master of Poisons"?

 

[Amaris]

How does one 'survive a mortal wound'?

By not dying.

All joking aside, I'm not sure the wording in other systems, but in U.S. terminology there's a mortal wound, and a fatal wound. The fatal wound makes you d-e-d, dead. The mortal wound just means you will die if you don't get it treated quickly.

 

[Noname Given]

It wasn’t all women in charge, yes, but the guy in charge of the Shinzo was only there until the better female came back to get her ship back and beat the man in combat. The young inexperienced Tilly was captain by being better than men. I have problem with social justice when it take something good and makes it worse. Canon may not be explicit in Terrence female dress code but all past episodes show an undeniable pattern of uniform that was ignored I believe because of modern day hypersensitivity.
Someone who is politically correct believes that language and actions that could be offensive to others especially those relating to sex and race, should be avoided. Avoiding sexy outfits to not offend certain vocal minorities is political correctness. I’m not moaning by the way....

ORLY?
Here's intendent Kira from the DS9 MU episodes:

Do you see an exposed midriff here? (You did say: "All Star Trek MU episodes...")

 

[matthunter]

You know what? I want my grandfather's Trek back...

DIS is a remarkebly silly show for how self-serious it takes itself. It has the utter most ridiculous plotlines and ideas.

Your grandaddy's Trek had a giant space amoeba, ffs.

 

[cultcross]

By not dying.

Traditionally, that would not be a mortal wound.

 

[WraithDukat]

I love the way it cut's to Lorca screaming after showing Burnham and Tylers love scene. His face says it all 'Hey don't mind me, I'm in no hurry to get outta here.'

 

[Burning Hearts of Qo'nos]

Do all gay characters henceforth get plot-armor?

I don't want my gay characters (or female, or of color, what have you) to have plot armor because they might be gay, female, or of color...but it would be nice if they weren't the first ones to be mutilated by space monsters, tortured, stabbed in the heart, or have their necks snapped unceremoniously.

 

[XCV330]

And Tara's death on Buffy was part of the most natural, human couple on the show, hurt the audience, and it didn't matter what her sexual identity was. Nobody kills off the gay character because they're gay, but somehow, they always seem to die.

Actually, I read the full article published on their thoughts before 'judging'. I find their comments rather naive and the fact they didn't mean it to be a trope is not really an excuse., In fact, the fact they knew about the tendency for gay characters to die and did it anyway kind of makes it worse.

Having never watched Buffy I can't speak for it. But clearly it must happen a lot so I'll take your word for it. I like the Culber character and would like for him to stick around. They've lost enough names for one season already. But I still maintain if you feel like you can't make creative decisions because of what persons have done in the past (to a degree, there's always some amount of self moderation) you put in roadblocks to the creative process that should not exist.

Now why do gay characters tend to die? I'd actually say it might be due to the fact someone took the time to delve into the character enough to know their relationship status. If Culber had just been a barely known doctor fixing broken noses his death, would have been a redshirt/shuttle pilot death and no one would give a damn about who he loves. Give him or her something to live for, then killing him or her makes it matter. If gay characters and any other group of persons get some special plot-armor it cheapens the process and ultimately will just make the show-runners want to avoid them and leave them in a bland idyllic Malcom Reedy background.

 

[Attentiveluke]

I was a moderator for six years, so I can weigh in. People can disagree with each other but the problem is making sexist comments, talking about "social justice warriors" -- which I assume you know is hot-button and would provoke response -- and doubling down on it after it did.

Okay I get what you are saying. If the term saw is offensive then I retract the posts if people don’t like the mention of it. My posts aren’t meant to sexist but I’m pointing out that discovery is made differently to earlier Star Trek series and is to its detriment. I don’t mind good female characters but it should be believable and proportionate not done to further an agenda

 

[Guy Gardener]

Or Saru's lot became the predators?

 

[XCV330]

Or Saru's lot became the predators?

He can run fast, kick like a mule, AND deliver a stinging retort about your past failings while he hunts you down.

 

[Attentiveluke]

ORLY?
Here's intendent Kira from the DS9 MU episodes:

Do you see an exposed midriff here? (You did say: "All Star Trek MU episodes...")

Kira isn’t a Terran crew member circa 2150s - 2260s although she is highly sexualised. Shame on the writers who created this character...