Haven't seen LOTR, but I'll trust you on that one. Also, I'm not saying that every little teeny tiny detail has to be ensured that they match up, because heaven knows that would be costly in both time and money, but keep appropriate consistency so that most things, especially the important things, all line up properly. I'll use the holo-communications as an example. This was seen first in Deep Space Nine, aboard the USS Defiant, just being installed as new technology that apparently still has some issues to it. Then Discovery comes around and starts using the same technology, long before it seems to actually exist, with the only plausible excuse (which is more or less an excuse for lazy writing/not paying attention to/caring about the canon) being that it was secretive experimental technology that only the Discovery got, and somehow it was lost along with all the information on it, until the events of Deep Space Nine. Things like that are important; it's when you get tiny matters like if some sort of paneling changed after several seasons, and then in a later season they do a flashback to before the change, and it has the current paneling. That's a minor issue that doesn't have any sort of importance or impact, other than being the equivalence of an Easter egg.I must confess that I wish Vulcans had been played consistently, over the years. I like them very stoic and deadpan. To me ... that's what Vulcans are like. But they've been played as LOTR elfs for so long, I just have to throw my hands up, anymore and say "F-it!" What can you do? You know? What can you do ... But keeping track of every grunt and groan, making sure they match up, throughout the franchise does seem constipated. Even to the point of the digitally updated & revamped "Space Seed" dropping in Chekov, just to ensure that it connects with TWoK. I found that to be particularly risible.
The wholesomeness and the fact that the most intense language (which also was fitting for the situations) were "hell" and "damn", are great aspects. The whole deal with the "I'm an asshole" flags, as you call it, is an attempt by Hollywood to make it seem modern and "edgy", while throwing in F-bombs that aren't necessary at all for whatever reason they thought it was a good idea, which I partially think is one of the reasons they're running it on an exclusive service, since I don't think they could get away with that actually airing on a network every week.It would be great to have that wholesomeness remain in STAR TREK. Where the show demonstrated through its fiction that it's actually cool just to be a decent person. Now, main characters are expected to fly their "I'm an Asshole" flags high, because it's more dramatic and nobody comes off as a pussy, like TNG's Barclay did. I get it. I'm OK with it. But it's like growing up, a little. You look back on your childhood, maybe, and you see that the world's different now. Or, maybe you just see it different, because you are, having grown up, some. Either way, every generation looks back and says, "... we were (more) innocent, in those days." Why losing that has to be considered so important, I don't know. But yeah, it would be nice to see TV not cater to the lowest denominator for ratings' sake. At the same time, this is how it is as a single tear rolls down my cheek. TOS' innocent charm doesn't translate, anymore. It would be nice if it did ... if it could. But TOS is still around and available, if people really need to see that.
I think every generation looks back and says that, because it's often true, at least in the sense that things such as cursing and the like still existed, but they weren't as public and as common. A lot of people have lost a sense of how to be socially appropriate. I always use the example when people are firing off way too much, if they'd talk like that to the cashier at their grocery store during checkout.
Although a bit ironic at least for who I am, I don't generally mind most cursing too much, as long as people don't take it too far, and understand that socially in public places a lot of things such as F-bombs aren't socially appropriate and generally don't create a friendly environment. TOS also wasn't completely innocent, especially considering Kirk and women, Orions, etc. It's still available, but it's also still a bit cheesy and only has 3 seasons. Keeping it much cleaner allows for a larger audience, and can still be applied to television today, which is my goal.
Yeah... There's always episodes like that which end up being the worst, simply because they've got practically no action at all, and completely dull plotlines where little happens, and even the moral at the end of the story is worthy of the garbage can. You need a good balance to try and help prevent that. Kind of like if the story doesn't have tons of action, it better have (thing here) to compensate for that, or if it doesn't have as much good story/too dull, a bit of extra action can be added in for some compensation.Well, yes, not every movie, not every series episode has to be Fast & Furious, but having a ponderous story only to reveal that the secret, at the end, the great mystery, turns out to be ... what? ... an old Man behind the curtain. Or just to preach to the choir, here, "wouldn't it be great if we were all a little nicer to eachother?" That sucks. You know? That really sucks. If they're going to pull that shite, better make it a fun ride getting there, so it doesn't matter as much.
Tad confused at what you're trying to say there/how it relates to Trek (the first few sentences), but I kinda get it. Change is a delicate matter, and people have to be willing to. You can't forcibly change someone, but you can try and help them along by supporting them and guiding them.Every generation claims to have the answer. All of that Tree-hugging, Political Correctness has only caused people to act out those feelings differently. Repression doesn't lead to anything good. And you can't change people. I've had girlfriends believing their love would change me, for example. HA!!! When they eventually left, they did so much wiser. Trying to change someone only changes you. Not them. That's how Life works. But the joy of TNG was that we saw that people have changed and wanted to. They let go of the bullshit, because they found out that there's a whole Galactic Culture "out there" that Humanity has an important place in. A position from which timeless and entertaining stories could be told. That really speaks to me, I like that, a lot. When I spoke of "an optimistic future" earlier, in this thread, I wasn't actually referring to most of that, though. I just meant that STAR TREK should always look for ways to uplift the viewer's spirits in a fictional setting where Life isn't bad. Life can be good, for everybody, no matter who you are or what your problems might be ... regardless of their severity. Not that STAR TREK is going to provide useful solutions to any of that to a Real World audience, but just to present situations where you can escape from your troubles for an hour, or two and feel good about that.
Aside from that, agreed. Even though at times things got ridiculous, the concept was that by centuries later, people managed to improve/learn better ways to handle things.
Discovery
It does, but I doubt it will. When the primary focus is to milk fans for money, not give them quality content, it will surely fail. That's where I say they've abandoned the original formula that made Trek what it is, in favor of trying to appeal to a new "modern" audience today, which they're not even getting that part right. The JJ spin is definitely a big issue, although I do think they should think about the actual legacy of the franchise, and how to make it even better.still has to discover itself. That's what its problem is. If it becomes STAR TREK as we've never seen it before AND it entertains in a way that keeps you coming back for more, then vive Discovery! Until that day comes, then it's going to continue to be awkward to watch. It's so aware of its own self importance, because it's modern-day STAR TREK, that it's kind of lost its way. Edgar Alan Poe once said that if you want to come up with a really cool and interesting idea in a genre, you have to pretend like it doesn't exist. You have to pretend that you're the one inventing it. That's what Discovery needed to do, but it's got JJ Abrams' spin and "the franchise's legacy" on its ass.