Have we all noticed that, so far on The Orville, our humans have a zero batting average at persuading aliens to change their ways?
No, that's 100% batting average as to staying neutral and not trying to change another culture.
THE ORVILLE S1, E9: "CUPID'S DAGGER"
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No, that's 100% batting average as to staying neutral and not trying to change another culture.
It's what came to my sleepy brain!
No, that's 100% batting average as to staying neutral and not trying to change another culture.
Well, they kind of tried to change the Moclans. And Mercer wanted to intervene openly on Planet Reddit and was told "no" in this case.
Yep, although predictable that he got interrupted just in time. Of course, I thought it was hilarious that they cut right to Admiral I-Designed-The-Titanic!I really really wanted Bortus to sing My Heart Will Go On.
Y'know, I hadn't thought about that, but yeah! I honestly have to wonder if that was intentional or just an amazingly cool coincidence.
That's the Olympia-A. The Olympia-prime was destroyed sometime between the two episodes during an engagement with the Krill.
Canon restored - you're welcome!
Canon restored - you're welcome!
It would be hilarious if it is an intentional joke to rile up the nitpickers, but somehow I suspect it's probably just an honest mistake. And to be fair, it's easily reconcilable, IIRC the first Olympia wasn't actually named on screen, we just know the name from stuff MacFarlane posted online afterwards. So if it comes down to it, than canonically speaking the larger ship has no name and the smaller one is the real Olympia.So is the Olympia thing just a mistake, or something to mess with the OCD crowd? It has shown up twice, once it was bigger than the Orville, the next time it was smaller.
Whatever the reason I'll tell you one thing, this Olympia screw-up doesn't bother me anywhere near as much as the fake D-7 on Discovery did.
I watched the episode again, and I think with a bit more knowledge of where things go it went down a bit better. The stuff with Yaphit and Dr. Finn still doesn't sit well but there could possibly that there's enough "play" in how these pheromones work that those impacted by them are able to somehow rationalize their behavior to themselves as Kelly apparently has in the interim between her divorce and now. (Assuming it was the pheromones that impacted her and not her own unmanipulated emotions.)
It seemed that, coincidentally, Ed and Kelly's love for Alien Rob Lowe came at roughly the same time when they went in to confront him. (Kelly to talk about how things weren't going to happen, Ed to fire him) since the "infection" point seemed to be when they shook hands in the shuttle bay and they don't act in love with him until their individual confrontations in the lab.)
It really seems like Yaphit was not affected by the pheromone because it clearly seems it impacts the person who touched to fall for the person they touched. (Ed and Kelly for ARL) So if Yaphit was affected by the pheromone [he] should have fallen for ARL, not continued his love for Finn, he was able to become a carrier without being infected with it, and he was able to transfer to Finn through the bouquet of flowers (the pheromones "sticking" to him more, him not absorbing them and them simply transferring.)
It's still just a little odd given Finn's clear lines in the sand, I still think Yaphit should've turned her down which could have been a bit more interesting in the story. (Him saying that he knew Finn wasn't making her own decisions clearly and he wants to have her by her own decisions not induced ones.)
The episode still has some good, fun, moments and stuff in it. I did really like Ed's diplomacy skills with the aliens and sort of wish we had gotten more of it and things turning out okay because of Ed's actions and not because of the pheromone. It really is sort of neat and diplomatic in a "casual" sort of way when he tells the aliens, "Let's just sit down and talk so we can say we tried," and spoke of how their individual rooms have been adjusted to accommodate them.
Alara is still too adorable and too much to love overall, her reactions are just great like when talking to Kelly and being confused on her attraction the ARL and I loved her quick response to contain one of the aliens when he begins to pull a weapon while in the shuttle bay.
I dunno, my thoughts on this episode may go up a notch since Thursday the Finn aspects are still just too much to really cope with considering how I view sexual assault and chemically induced ones being wrong and sci-fi shows too much try and have these "polar opposites have a tryst due to some kind of mind-manipulating device, scent or other" things but it too often just doesn't sit well because of the idea of people making choices they ordinarily wouldn't make and making them due to an outside influence. Shows too much want to justify it by saying, "Well pheromones!" or "Some kind of brain damage/temporary memory loss," think that makes it okay when, really, the way we should view it as a form of rape.
The Finn stuff is just generally uncomfortable but, overall, I think this was a slightly better episode than I initially thought with some good performances in it by MacFarlane, Rob Lowe and [Grayson.] And the elevator music running gag was pretty funny and another example of the humor being better woven into the show than it was in the first few episodes.
It seemed that, coincidentally, Ed and Kelly's love for Alien Rob Lowe came at roughly the same time when they went in to confront him. (Kelly to talk about how things weren't going to happen, Ed to fire him) since the "infection" point seemed to be when they shook hands in the shuttle bay and they don't act in love with him until their individual confrontations in the lab.)
It really seems like Yaphit was not affected by the pheromone because it clearly seems it impacts the person who touched to fall for the person they touched. (Ed and Kelly for ARL) So if Yaphit was affected by the pheromone [he] should have fallen for ARL, not continued his love for Finn, he was able to become a carrier without being infected with it, and he was able to transfer to Finn through the bouquet of flowers (the pheromones "sticking" to him more, him not absorbing them and them simply transferring.)
It's still just a little odd given Finn's clear lines in the sand, I still think Yaphit should've turned her down which could have been a bit more interesting in the story. (Him saying that he knew Finn wasn't making her own decisions clearly and he wants to have her by her own decisions not induced ones.)
The episode still has some good, fun, moments and stuff in it. I did really like Ed's diplomacy skills with the aliens and sort of wish we had gotten more of it and things turning out okay because of Ed's actions and not because of the pheromone. It really is sort of neat and diplomatic in a "casual" sort of way when he tells the aliens, "Let's just sit down and talk so we can say we tried," and spoke of how their individual rooms have been adjusted to accommodate them.
Alara is still too adorable and too much to love overall, her reactions are just great like when talking to Kelly and being confused on her attraction the ARL and I loved her quick response to contain one of the aliens when he begins to pull a weapon while in the shuttle bay.
I dunno, my thoughts on this episode may go up a notch since Thursday the Finn aspects are still just too much to really cope with considering how I view sexual assault and chemically induced ones being wrong and sci-fi shows too much try and have these "polar opposites have a tryst due to some kind of mind-manipulating device, scent or other" things but it too often just doesn't sit well because of the idea of people making choices they ordinarily wouldn't make and making them due to an outside influence. Shows too much want to justify it by saying, "Well pheromones!" or "Some kind of brain damage/temporary memory loss," think that makes it okay when, really, the way we should view it as a form of rape.
The Finn stuff is just generally uncomfortable but, overall, I think this was a slightly better episode than I initially thought with some good performances in it by MacFarlane, Rob Lowe and [Grayson.] And the elevator music running gag was pretty funny and another example of the humor being better woven into the show than it was in the first few episodes.
It's also possible that there are some species that are immune to its effects. It is a matter of body chemistry. Some alien chemistries may simply not react to others in the same way, if at all.
I think Bortus getting interrupted is better than actually hearing him sing "My Heart Will Go On." Part of making it work is the teasing and mystery of not knowing what is missed and filling in the blank with imagination.
In any case, both the interruption and "You will be silent!" were absolutely hilarious.
In any case, both the interruption and "You will be silent!" were absolutely hilarious.
The first one wasn't named in dialogue, that I remember, but it is clearly visible on the hull.
Ah well, still less of an issue than the D-7 debacle on Discovery.
I think the cool thing about this show is that I can't really bring myself to care about such errors.
I think it would be hilarious if every Union guest ship was the Olympia with different configurations.
Are they going to do something with Bortus like DS9 did with Morn? That would be something.
It seems that the pheromones work best on those who have physical contact with the blue guy AND are experiencing strong emotions. Maybe the emotions serve to amplify the response, too. That is why Yaphit and Finn responded to each other and not big blue and the delegates responded to each other. None of those 4 had strong emotions about anyone else.
