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THE ORVILLE S1, E9: "CUPID'S DAGGER"

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Coloratura said:
Womens rights are human rights. Transgender rights are human rights. Feminism is all about human rights. Standing up for people who were sexually abused, molested, coerced, and manipulated by offering them an opportunity to explain what happened without destroying their lives and careers is still human rights. Again, whataboutisms have no place in this issue.
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Not really. How is transgender rights or feminism helpful to men? Or are men not human?
Women are coerced and manipulated?
Because they are too stupid to know or act otherwise?
Women's rights? That makes me laugh.

If you go to Bill Cosby's (or fill in any other famous, rich or powerful man's name) house with him, alone, have drinks and are most likely making out with him, I can tell you right now, he is pretty much expecting sex.
Sure force or drugging
Someone is illegal.
But those men have all had women that were perfectly fine and had sex.

Possibly if they didn't wait 30/40 years to report it they would seem more credible.
 
ihno said:
So the question was too difficult, okay.



Of course you take your opinion and generalize it.
I'm gay and you're not speaking for me and the gay community is diverse. It's not the Borg collective. It may be in the USA.

And for the "two totally different concepts."
Do you mean "human rights" and "civil rights"? Yes, they are not the same, that was why I asked you to elaborate in the first place. ;)
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No, you misrepresented what I said, and continue to do so. Your posts make assumptions about what I said, without any understanding of it at all. You talk about the destruction of civil rights, but I make no such statement. Again, clean up your posts. Otherwise, what you ask me to respond to are leading questions that automatically assume I agree with your incorrect assumptions.

Nakita Akita said:
Not really. How is transgender rights or feminism helpful to men? Or are men not human?
Women are coerced and manipulated?
Because they are too stupid to know or act otherwise?
Women's rights? That makes me laugh.

If you go to Bill Cosby's (or fill in any other famous, rich or powerful man's name) house with him, alone, have drinks and are most likely making out with him, I can tell you right now, he is pretty much expecting sex.
Sure force or drugging
Someone is illegal.
But those men have all had women that were perfectly fine and had sex.

Possibly if they didn't wait 30/40 years to report it they would seem more credible.
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I will not engage with someone who believes that women are stupid for being raped. Good day to you.
 
The point is: If you want to have social change you have to do it right, you have to do it calmly, with patience and with your brain, not your stomach and not with activism.

My freedom, my protection from arbitrariness is always the freedom of others as well and the quality of my society can be measured in the way my society treats those, who mistreat others.

Freedom of arbitrariness is a basic human right. It's limited to the state but with the internet there is a social new dimension.

People like Cosby etc. belong before a court. It is not up to the internet, as assume the role of jugde, jury and executioner.
 
Coloratura said:
Your post is full of incorrect assumptions. You're going to have to go back and clean it up before I can respond to anything, as what I've said and what you've gathered are two totally different concepts.

Also, I'm pansexual, and part of the LGBTQIA+ community. Again, an incorrect assumption on your part. Clean up your post.
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Coloratura said:
No, you misrepresented what I said, and continue to do so. Your posts make assumptions about what I said, without any understanding of it at all. You talk about the destruction of civil rights, but I make no such statement. Again, clean up your posts. Otherwise, what you ask me to respond to are leading questions that automatically assume I agree with your incorrect assumptions.


I will not engage with someone who believes that women are stupid for being raped. Good day to you.
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You are pretty amazing.
I said that holding women out as too weak to prevent coercion or manipulation is ridiculous, oh, and insulting.
No, being physically abused by a stronger person does not involve stupidity.

Getting naked in a car with another person, who then perceives that this is for sexual reasons, is stupid.
Then 30 years later reporting it as rape is weak minded.
If the situation was rape, it should have been reported the next day, or as soon after as possible. It's difficult to believe that the soonest time someone could get to the police station or hospital is 30 years later.

Women's rights and feminism are not Human Rights. As men are humans too. Lest you forget.

Oh, and I'm a straight female who had enjoyed her relationships with powerful men to the fullest extent possible.
And
I knew exactly why I was interested in a wrinkled 45 year old whilst in my nubile 20 year old body.
 
ihno said:
The point is: If you want to have social change you have to do it right, you have to do it calmly, with patience and with your brain, not your stomach and not with activism.

My freedom, my protection from arbitrariness is always the freedom of others as well and the quality of my society can be measured in the way my society treats those, who mistreat others.

Freedom of arbitrariness is a basic human right. It's limited to the state but with the internet there is a social new dimension.

People like Cosby etc. belong before a court. It is not up to the internet, as assume the role of jugde, jury and executioner.
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You're arguing points I never spoke about. Again, you're making assumptions. I firmly believe in innocent until proven guilty. However, that does not change the fact that many women are simply ignored, or denied a voice because people can't imagine someone like, oh, Bill Cosby for example, drugging women and raping them. That cloak of unbelievability is what makes it so difficult for women to come forward. That is why there are hundreds of thousands of rape kits that have never been examined, and why there is so much power for men to wield over women when they do try to speak out. The court system isn't effective enough, because when you have power and money, you can influence the court. The more women speak out against their assailants, the more leverage they have when they step into the courtroom, because as of now, the system is heavily biased against them.
 
Nakita Akita said:
Not really. How is transgender rights or feminism helpful to men? Or are men not human?
Women are coerced and manipulated?
Because they are too stupid to know or act otherwise?
Women's rights? That makes me laugh.

If you go to Bill Cosby's (or fill in any other famous, rich or powerful man's name) house with him, alone, have drinks and are most likely making out with him, I can tell you right now, he is pretty much expecting sex.
Sure force or drugging
Someone is illegal.
But those men have all had women that were perfectly fine and had sex.

Possibly if they didn't wait 30/40 years to report it they would seem more credible.
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Transgender Rights and Feminist Rights are Human Rights, because Transgender People and Feminists are Human, and not giving them those Rights dehumanizes them.

I'm not even going to ask what you thought Feminists and Transgender People are, since you say Human Rights only apply to Men, there is no other way to interpret that other than that you don't believe they are Human, which is a really sick Troll post to make, especially in the environment of the Harassment and Assault being exposed left and Right.

That attitude you display in that post, is precisely why so many Women don't come forward for years or Decades, and some never come forward. But, guess what, Society has started to come forward in defense of Women, and Victims now have a tool to find each other, and gain Support from each other. So, the time for Men who treat Women like this to be able to get away with it, is ending. The Days of degrading Women, violating them, and then making them feel like they did something to deserve it, are ending and the Days of Assaulters and Harassers getting to know sex, only from their hand is beginning.
 
This thread has become rather personal and less about the show. Maybe you all should take this discussion to another forum.
Did they ever mention anything about the elevator guy's species? I don't remember seeing him or anyone like him before. I'm enjoying all the diversity in the cast.
 
Yes, Rear Admiral, Sir. :) ;) You're right.

What I loved about the elevator guy was the "Don't you have anything better to do" after the third time but it was a nice clichee. It remembered me of Star Trek II.
 
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Sindatur said:
Transgender Rights and Feminist Rights are Human Rights, because Transgender People and Feminists are Human, and not giving them those Rights dehumanizes them.

I'm not even going to ask what you thought Feminists and Transgender People are, since you say Human Rights only apply to Men, there is no other way to interpret that other than that you don't believe they are Human, which is a really sick Troll post to make, especially in the environment of the Harassment and Assault being exposed left and Right.

That attitude you display in that post, is precisely why so many Women don't come forward for years or Decades, and some never come forward. But, guess what, Society has started to come forward in defense of Women, and Victims now have a tool to find each other, and gain Support from each other. So, the time for Men who treat Women like this to be able to get away with it, is ending. The Days of degrading Women, violating them, and then making them feel like they did something to deserve it, are ending and the Days of Assaulters and Harassers getting to know sex, only from their hand is beginning.
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Why call it women's or Transgender rights?
It's all human rights!!
Transgender rights is very very exclusive.
What part of the population is transgender?

Why not bring up men's rights?
There are way more men
Than transgenders after all.
I think excluding men
Is very bigoted and wrong.
I said that drugging and forcing are illegal.
But you said to that whatever group needs special protection against coersion and manipulation. Here in the USA that protection ends at 18. If you are duped and an adult (of sound mind) bummer for you, too bad do sad.

You seem to think women are just too weak to make adult choices. I guess I just don't believe that.
I guess you are bigoted against women.
 
Velocity said:
This thread has become rather personal and less about the show. Maybe you all should take this discussion to another forum.
Did they ever mention anything about the elevator guy's species? I don't remember seeing him or anyone like him before. I'm enjoying all the diversity in the cast.
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I think they had him in the background in another episode. You know an 'extra',
His costume (facial ) was pretty good.
 
Nakita Akita said:
It's not 1940.
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Obviously you haven't been paying attention. Because that is where many folks who are in charge want us to be. Where women were in the kitchen, gays in the closet and blacks being second class citizens who got harassed, beaten and lynched without any repercussions.
 
BillJ said:
Obviously you haven't been paying attention. Because that is where many folks who are in charge want us to be. Where women were in the kitchen, gays in the closet and blacks being second class citizens who got harassed, beaten and lynched without any repercussions.
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Where is this happening?
 
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