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THE ORVILLE S1, E9: "CUPID'S DAGGER"

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  • ***** Excellent

    Votes: 15 19.2%
  • ****

    Votes: 26 33.3%
  • ***

    Votes: 15 19.2%
  • **

    Votes: 18 23.1%
  • * Fear the banana

    Votes: 4 5.1%

  • Total voters
    78
The crew gathered together for some karaoke was a welcome relief from the stodgy TNG episodes where the crew got together too watch people play some really boring classical music. I was just thinking the other day that it would be cool on Trek to see the crew of a Federation starship watching a rock band perform and then they did the karaoke bit on the Orville this week. Not quite the same thing but better than the typical classical music (or jazz) performance. Nothing wrong with classical music but is that really at the music they have in the Star Trek future? I'm glad that The Orville isn't so stuffy.
Don't forget the other fun musical references in the episode, like Musak and the Ramones! Overall, they made a nice undercurrent to the story.
 
Yaphit didn't get it from Darulio's clothes. After a glop of Yaphit was left behind on Darulio's leg, Darulio picked it up with his bare hand and deposited into Yaphit, again his bare hand essentially "going inside" Yaphit.


Ah, I forgot about that.

But it's still unclear if once a person gets it, if they can transmit it. It is, however, hard to tell if Yaphit got the pheromones since he's always randy for Finn. Or if his gelatin being can even get it when exposed.

The real question: Did Yaphit do Finn?


And will Yaphit morph through Mitosis into another person? That would be the perfect excuse if [n]Norm MacDonald[/b] died, wasn't asked back, or didn't re-sign. I hope not. Personally, I love his humor (I wish he had more control over what he said on the show).
 
I don't think the current situation of sexual assault revelations has anything to do with it. Whether or not sexual assault is a hot topic at the moment, what happened in the episode is sexual assault.
 
Late to the party so a quick review. Not the best one but not bad either. A bit up and down. Some stuff was hilarious but some a bit tawdry as well. Three stars out of 5. Would've given 7 out of 10 but that's not possible with the limited grading system.

Side point, the furniture in the lounge for the opening scene in the lounged is the fucking cheapest furniture I've seen in any show. Looks like the cheap assemble yourself stuff from Walmart! Not even the good assemble yourself. :guffaw:
 
Sometimes we can discuss things under the guise of humor that we wouldn't otherwise be comfortable talking about.
However, sometimes humor takes away from something that should be serious. I think this episode strayed into this territory a bit.
 
There's a never-ending source of people on the internet who think everything is offensive in some way.

Right now, no doubt, some snowflake is offended by my post and is squirreling away into a "Safe space". Wish there was a door I lock behind them.
 
Claire asked Yaphit about the portrait "Is this you and your mother." His response, "Sort of. My people reproduce through mitosis, so my mother split apart to become me and my brother."

I'd say technically Yaphet and his "brother" are more female than male, particularly since they split from a female and we generally call these "daughter cells." Its more likely however Yaphits species has no gender (given their reproduction isn't based on sex there's no need for gender) and any male pronouns and such are the result of the translator scratching it's head and just throwing what sounds good out there.
 
There's a never-ending source of people on the internet who think everything is offensive in some way.

Right now, no doubt, some snowflake is offended by my post and is squirreling away into a "Safe space". Wish there was a door I lock behind them.

Yeah people are so sensitive about sex crimes.
 
However, sometimes humor takes away from something that should be serious. I think this episode strayed into this territory a bit.
In this episode, I don't think it's the humor which take away the seriousness of the issue, but more than it wasn't discussed seriously by the characters at any point in the episode.

In the Orville episode "About a girl", there was humor but the characters also discussed and took part in the situation seriously.
 
In this episode, I don't think it's the humor which take away the seriousness of the issue, but more than it wasn't discussed seriously by the characters at any point in the episode.

In the Orville episode "About a girl", there was humor but the characters also discussed and took part in the situation seriously.
I think this is the tricky aspect of a humor based show that tries to also be serious. Some issues aren't dealt with seriously and in other cases (About a Girl) the humor undercuts the serious parts.

That's not to say they shouldn't use humor, I think that is a great thing about The Orville. But, I sort of prefer the Red Dwarf approach where they don't have any pretensions about being serious in the first place, which The Orville definitely has.

You can mix comedy and drama, just look at M*A*S*H, but The Orville ain't no M*A*S*H!
 
I think this is the tricky aspect of a humor based show that tries to also be serious. Some issues aren't dealt with seriously and in other cases (About a Girl) the humor undercuts the serious parts.
Well, I disagree with you. You basically think you can't mix seriousness, drama and humor (unless you're called Mash). About a Girl, and most Orville episode, discuss serious issues while integrating humor too. Even Star Trek, Stargate and Doctor Who does it at different degrees. In this episode, it was not the case. There was humor but at no point in this episode the characters discuss and take part in the situations seriously contrary to other Orville episodes like About a girl.
 
Well, I disagree with you. You basically think you can't mix seriousness, drama and humor. About a Girl, and most Orville episode, discuss serious issues while integrating humor too. Even Star Trek, Stargate and Doctor Who does it at different degrees. In this episode, it was not the case. There was humor but at no point in this episode the characters discuss and take part in the situations seriously.
That's not what I think at all--so please don't try to tell me. In fact, I mentioned a show (M*A*S*H) that did it quite nicely--but you edited that part out. It can be done but it's difficult to do well. The Orville so far hasn't been up to that standard.

As a whole, however, The Orville isn't trying to cover serious issues in any substantive way. About a Girl is an exception and it wasn't done that well. The Facebook/Likes episode covered issues in a cursory way and focus on the funny aspect. I think that worked much better to be honest.
 
That's not what I think at all--so please don't try to tell me. In fact, I mentioned a show (M*A*S*H) that did it quite nicely--but you edited that part out.
Mash is a long time ago. It's just one show. There's also humor in Star Trek, Stargate, Doctor Who, etc. I also think the Majority rule episode had a good mix of humor and seriousness like most Orville episodes beside that one.
 
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There's a never-ending source of people on the internet who think everything is offensive in some way.

Right now, no doubt, some snowflake is offended by my post and is squirreling away into a "Safe space". Wish there was a door I lock behind them.

I don't think it's offensive. I think it's extremely poor writing. There's a difference.

It's a bit childish to call people 'Snowflakes' whenever they disagree with you about the content of TV shows. Or any time somebody gets mad by somebody being an insensitive dick in a way you are not personally sensitive about. Guess Fox News has trained you to do that.

A show had an alien drug people to have sex with them and didn't acknowledge that this was a form of rape or even a bad thing, and this is a show that has taken the moral position of previous Star Trek shows. This is very, very poor writing.

Anyone squirreling back to their safe space will have to find somewhere else, the safe spaces are filled with Fox News snowflakes who get offended by Starbucks coffee cups, the words 'Happy Holidays' and anthem protests. Those are the real 'snowflakes'. Not the people who are a little touchy about the subject of sexual assault.
 
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There's a never-ending source of people on the internet who think everything is offensive in some way.
That's a stupid (dumbed down) premise for your post. By exaggerating, you skip the important part of the issue and discussion. You say some people think everything is offensive but NOBODY in the universe thinks everything is offensive. Everybody agree that some things are offensive (like parents having sex with children for the benefit of their "sexual education", promoting rape, etc) and other things aren't. There's only disagreements about what is offensive and what is not offensive.
 
I've talked to others about episode and the sex crime aspect didn't dawn on them but saw it when pointed out. I'll give the episode another watch and see if maybe it goes down better knowing more context. Overall, I think the toughest part is just the stuff in the news lately.

But if not finding it funny that woman was chemically compelled to have sex with a being she had no interest in and was being harassed by at work makes me a snowflake then, winter's coming because sex crimes aren't funny and shouldn't be shrugged off or dismissed because that just feeds the idea of the "rape culture" some say we have.

It seems it may have merit considering how much people want to justify these events (he's an alien and couldn't tell, she was comming on to him) not thinking about the totality of every interaction the two of them had had the entire season. It may also have gone down better if Finn had still more or less taken it in a flattered, humored but uninterested way and not had finally had enough and was tired of being harassed.
 
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