And you do not insinuate hatred to a poster's thread that has not been expressed.
Read Post # 1015 - and remember that famous saying about assumptions
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x06 - "Lethe"
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I still don't understand this whole "like" versus "dislike" thing with characters. Characters are either interesting or boring in an intellectual sense. Or they're plausibly constructed or horribly inconsistent. I've never felt anything regarding a character emotionally, whether it be love or hatred. What ultimately matters is the interactions you see on screen. Are they doing amusing things? Are they chewing the scenery? Do they have witty banter? Do they have chemistry with another character they are supposed to? Does the interaction have some emotional pathos - reminding you of something regarding your own past? All of this can happen without pretending the character onscreen is a real human being or being on some friggin "team."
I said I'd drop it, but since you insist.
One doesn't have to go very far to examine your opinion of Christians (bold added by me).
Why don't you criticize other religions - Muslims for example?
Show me where once - even once - ONE time I've come even remotely close to being a white supremacist. But no, I'm like minded to such people.
It's not complicated: there are characters I want to see succeed, and characters I want to see humiliated and broken. Dead, even.
Pretty basic.
Since you insist on interpreting what I wrote in plain ole English, as 'I hate Christians' than carry on. I will critique Muslims in my next life when the Islamic cultural experience is a part of my own.
I find your sensitivity to the historical fact that lynchings took place after church on Sundays.....interesting. Consider the bible text of 'Love your neighbour as yourself' was stated by Jesus of Nazareth, the same Jewish male that said folks were meant to honor, respect and worship. (And such folks hate Jewish people). You did not see the irony, only the criticism of such people.... interesting.
I dunno. Maybe I'm mildly autistic or something, but in all of my years of reading novels and watching TV/movies, I can't remember ever "rooting" for the good guys or cheering the bad guys losses. I've just buckled in for the ride and taken it to the conclusion.
Edit: It seems like taking a "sports" attitude to entertainment, and nothing in the world bores me more than sports.
Not sensitive, just an example.
But really, where do I espouse white nationalist beliefs?
Probably the same place I espoused 'I hate Christians' beliefs......
If I didn't empathize with characters I'd have no reason to bother with popular fiction except as a study of other people's obsessions.
Is this your first time watching Star Trek?
I agree with this sentiment. At the very least, it's nice to have a mix of character types. As you say, it provides another emotion during the experience.
My view of the characters is different than yours but, yes, agree with the above.
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It is pretty rarely that we see parking lots for small interstellar spacecraft in Trek. But if this building is the headquarters of the Expeditionary Group or something, then their presence is more than warranted.
Mind you, I don't think the ST:FC craft is actually interstellar - it's better sized and shaped to be a mere lander for a bigger starship (which we know Vulcans have in bountiful supply), and lacks any hints of the famed Vulcan ring drive.
Similarly, the craft rescuing the downed spies in "Carbon Creek" looks more like an atmospheric shuttle (the role we see it perform later on in the Surak-in-Archer trilogy), is surrounded by these same podded rocket thingamabobs, and would nicely fit inside the shuttlebay of one of the larger Vulcan ships. But Sarek's ride in this episode isn't all that large, and definitely has the warp ring, even if in partial form.
...The craft of the spies in "Carbon Creek" also had lots of "fins" that could be parts of a warp ring, and had a warp engineer aboard. So it's a shape thing for me, not a size thing.
Timo Saloniemi
Mind you, I don't think the ST:FC craft is actually interstellar - it's better sized and shaped to be a mere lander for a bigger starship (which we know Vulcans have in bountiful supply), and lacks any hints of the famed Vulcan ring drive.
Similarly, the craft rescuing the downed spies in "Carbon Creek" looks more like an atmospheric shuttle (the role we see it perform later on in the Surak-in-Archer trilogy), is surrounded by these same podded rocket thingamabobs, and would nicely fit inside the shuttlebay of one of the larger Vulcan ships. But Sarek's ride in this episode isn't all that large, and definitely has the warp ring, even if in partial form.
...The craft of the spies in "Carbon Creek" also had lots of "fins" that could be parts of a warp ring, and had a warp engineer aboard. So it's a shape thing for me, not a size thing.
Timo Saloniemi
I pointed to a quote that clearly shows you linking Christians to lynchings - there wasn't a need to do that. You can't point to ONE where I say anything remotely supporting white supremacist ideals.
I like Star Trek, you like Star Trek, that's enough for me. Do we want to sunset this discussion?
They visited a ship with a holoroom, I don't think they had one. (The episode where Trip gets pregnant)Everyone is mentioning TAS, no one remembers Enterprise had a holoroom a hundred years earlier? Or has everyone drunk away their memory of that show.
It is not a question of need, it is a question of fact. Know your history.
If I didn't empathize with characters I'd have no reason to bother with popular fiction except as a study of other people's obsessions.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not Data/Spock or anything. I can think of a lot of individual moments in Trek history which have moved me to tears. The Inner Light and The Visitor in general for example. As I get older, a lot of the things relating to Sisko and O'Brien being fathers are really relatable. But that doesn't mean that I like them as people, only that elements of their characterization strike a chord with me.
For the most part though, I'm one of those Trek fans who cares more about themes and plot than characters. People in general (even in real life) aren't anywhere as interesting to be as facts and abstract ideas. I actually even find the dramatic performance of the cast members when watching trek more important than the characters they are playing per se.
They used monitors all tied in to PowerMacs. Cheaper than having to make holograms. As it was, ENT took a beating among "fans" for looking newer than TOS. I still to this day don't know if the "fans" expected unmarked blinkenlights or some sort of steampunk trek with guages, levers and jacob's ladders powering the bridge all filmed on a manual black and white 16mm camera. A hologram would have caused heart attacks.
Which is exactly why every interface ought to have been a hologram, complete with helmets, finger-mounted VR manipulators and other gadgetry weighting 30 kilograms per user and making the sort of annoying buzz these things today make. "Advanced tech" indeed!
Timo Saloniemi
Timo Saloniemi
If there aren't exploding consoles in the bridge, what is sick bay for?
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