Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x06 - "Lethe"
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Sent her, yes. Lorca may well have felt that she really was the best to continue the peace talks. But he mostly wanted her off the ship. I do NOT believe he intentionally wanted her captured or killed. How was Lorca supposed to know what would happen?
Again, if Lorca wanted Cornwell dead, he would have sabotaged the shuttle. It would have had the added "benefit" of not leaving behind any evidence.
And yet, there's Terral... plus the all-Vulcan-crewed USS Intrepid...
He wasn't in a hurry to save her either.
Off the top of my head:
Mr Robot
The Expanse
Man in the High Castle
Better Call Saul
Game of Thrones
House of Cards
Rectify
Narcos
There are many more.
When I said this day and age, I'm talking about the past 10 years so, which IMO is a new golden age of television. The shows listed above are just some of the active ones. I could start listing off Breaking Bad and others that have ended but are contemporary shows that have come out in the past 10 years.
STD's writing can't hold a candle to the well written dramas of today. Hopefully they turn things around.
So we think. But this time (unlike with Sarek) they know exactly where she is being held, and that she's under heavy guard by the Klingons. If Discovery goes in with guns blazing, there's the chance the ship could be captured and its technology taken.
If Lorca is ordered by Starfleet to rescue Cornwell, and refuses the order, that's where we can start really worrying.
He wasn't and that is the open ended part. Was it because he didn't want her to get saved, or because he actually had listened her and tried not to be such a loose cannon?
The difference between Vulcans and Romulans.
1. Vulcans are a mostly peaceful people who are haughty and arrogant.
2. The Romulans are a bunch of cocky genocidal dickbags who run a military dictatorship
There's a few differences.
1. Vulcans are a mostly peaceful people who are haughty and arrogant.
2. The Romulans are a bunch of cocky genocidal dickbags who run a military dictatorship
There's a few differences.
Vulcans started being dicks with Spock's first scene in WNMHGB. And they've always judged human and other non-Vulcans by Vulcan standards.Nope, never watched them. No idea why I would want to watch them.
Nice list of shows but only The Expanse is a sci-fi drama. The others are just ordinary dramas (I'm not sure abotu mr. Robot). I only agree with you with Game of Thrones and it's not sci-fi either. I never saw Mr. Robot, Man in Castle, Rectify and Narcos, i'm not so much into ordinary non sci-fi drama but I didn't like and don't watch anymore The Expanse, House of cards. On the other hand I think The Americans is great, possibly as good as any Star Trek but with less replay values.
The appreciation of ordinary drama is more a personal thing. There's no topicality, sci-fi/what if imagination or futuristic vision in them. In a certain way it can have a broader appeal (beside sci-fi blockbuster summer movies which are usually all actions, little plot) but it doesn't have anything I love about sci-fi in them (topicality, sci-fi/what if mystery and imagination, adventure, exploration of humanity and integration of new technologies, visions about the future, etc). It takes great writers, inspired writers, who have things to say about our current societies, the future, science and technology and humanity to write series like Doctor Who, Star Trek (TOS, TNG, DS9, Voyager) and Stargate. We must appreciate Sci-fi as not just typical tv drama and soap opera.
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I'm enjoying it unironically and that's all I ask of a show.
It took waiting until today, but I finally got to see "Lethe" (S01E06). Initially, I was happy to see the episode show up at around 8:08 last evening, but moments into it, the picture blanked and the stream buffered. If it was just going to be that one time, it would have been OK - but it wasn't. It happened again, and again, until it sort of got stuck in a "Loading" mode.
I thought perhaps I was too early in trying to stream it, and thought that restarting it might be a good idea. But it didn't help. It still stuttered and died. Playing with starting and restarting for about a half hour yielded nothing any better, but I was now convinced of two things: I wouldn't be watching it that evening, and the episode looked VERY worth watching.
So today around noon, I sat down to try again, and this time it performed flawlessly as did all of the prior episodes through multiple rewatches. "Lethe" was a very impressive episode. I continue to marvel at how good this show looks, and I'm enjoying how various factors are pulling together to create a fascinating look at this period in the Trek timeline.
Mia Kershner was inspired casting as Amanda - she looked very much like a younger Jane Wyatt. Like everyone else, I'm still on edge wondering about Lorca and Tyler and Stamets and how they may or may not fit in the mirror universe. But I'm also happy that we don't yet have all of the answers. It makes the ride in getting there more enjoyable.
Hopefully the technical glitches were just that - glitches, and they won't be repeated. I know others have complained about the stream's unreliability, but last night was the only time I experienced anything like that. It's mostly worked flawlessly for me.
I thought perhaps I was too early in trying to stream it, and thought that restarting it might be a good idea. But it didn't help. It still stuttered and died. Playing with starting and restarting for about a half hour yielded nothing any better, but I was now convinced of two things: I wouldn't be watching it that evening, and the episode looked VERY worth watching.
So today around noon, I sat down to try again, and this time it performed flawlessly as did all of the prior episodes through multiple rewatches. "Lethe" was a very impressive episode. I continue to marvel at how good this show looks, and I'm enjoying how various factors are pulling together to create a fascinating look at this period in the Trek timeline.
Mia Kershner was inspired casting as Amanda - she looked very much like a younger Jane Wyatt. Like everyone else, I'm still on edge wondering about Lorca and Tyler and Stamets and how they may or may not fit in the mirror universe. But I'm also happy that we don't yet have all of the answers. It makes the ride in getting there more enjoyable.
Hopefully the technical glitches were just that - glitches, and they won't be repeated. I know others have complained about the stream's unreliability, but last night was the only time I experienced anything like that. It's mostly worked flawlessly for me.
Liked it. This one felt more episodic than the others, but that okay. Lots of name dropping. Spock, Enterprise.
Not sure what that Nebula was made of though.
More hints at the Mirrorverse, and wondering if there is more to the destruction of the Buran. Not keen on mirror episodes, but my intrigue is growing.
Not sure what that Nebula was made of though.
More hints at the Mirrorverse, and wondering if there is more to the destruction of the Buran. Not keen on mirror episodes, but my intrigue is growing.
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I love that it could be taken either way.
If I had been chewed out by a superior for taking matters into my own hands, then informed that because of my actions I was going to lose my command I would have asked for orders as well.
As someone has already said we only need to worry if Lorca refuses the order, which I doubt he will.
At the very least the Admiral will have a much better understanding of Klingon methods and the reasons for Lorca's state if she is rescued and we see her again, some have to learn the hard way and I am expecting a large helping of humble pie from her.
What I like about this is that the writers made this ambiguity part of the show by having Saru directly talking about it with Lorca. One my fav part of the episode. Then they end the episode showing the phaser on his belt (recalling what happened earlier) in an ominous way. Beautiful.
Enjoyed it! But jumping jackrabbits that first mind meld scene was cheesy! How weird does Burnham run btw? Still having problems hearing/discerning some of the dialogue but that maybe due to my fellow Brits questionable Yank accents! I'm getting a serious 'Caine Mutiny' vibe from Lorca's constant cracking of the fortune cookies or whatever they are! I presumed that Lorca has the pistol in his belt because he wasn't prepared to have his command taken from him and thought the knock at the door might have been from the Admiral's people? Still think Lorca is an unknowing Klingon....maybe!
How did Lorca send Cornwell on the mission? She outranks him. It's Starfleet's and her decision to make. I think he knew she'd want to step in, though, to complete Ambassador Sarek's mission, because achieving peace is worth the risk. I'm not ready to assume he deliberately tried to send her into a trap/harm's way in order to keep Discovery. Then again, it would fit with how unstable he is becoming; he looked like he was at an emotional breaking point when she left him in his bedroom.
He probably made a suggestion.
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