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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x04 - "The Butcher's Knife Cares Not for the Lamb's Cry"

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Not sure that would work, it's not like she's strapped for cash or anything given who her husband is.
okay, i looked him up - never heard of the guy
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I know that on DS9 they said Darvin was "surgically altered" - but given what Enterprise later added to canon, it's almost certain that they just jumped to that conclusion given he was genetically Klingon but had a human appearance.
By 'surgically altered' they meant washing off the grease paint and trimming his Fu Manchu mustache. It's a procedure few survive, but he did it for the Empire.
 
Bob the Discount Klingon died for the Empire.

Won't you think about Bob before you make fun of the Klingons?
 
Seems pretty clear to me that after the battle of the second pilot, Voq and his followers were simply unable to contact anybody. We never saw them make any of those holocalls after the battle, after all.

Why would anybody come to their aid? Only one person knew there was anything worth going to, namely the cloak, and that one person did not really believe in the cloak, not having seen a demonstration.

The battle site itself was probaby devoid of strategic value. We never heard of any, at any rate.

As for protecting Corvan II, Starfleet very explicitly did, despite the place apparently not being anywhere near the front lines, or even presumed accessible to Klingons (if it were, Klingons would surely have attempted conquest rather than a destructive raid). In turn, I see no reason to think the Klingons would have attacked the place with anything less than the forces required to defeat the defenses - attacks in real wars are seldom launched without a certainty (however misplaced) of success. But the defenses could still have whittled down the attackers to a remnant force that took six hours to finish off the mines. It would make no sense to divert forces away from that assignment, after all: the sooner the mines are gone, the better.

Timo Saloniemi
 
Everybody saw Europa being rammed by a cloaked ship.
Someone should have gone back for that cloak, it beggars belief that it would be just sitting there undefended for six months.

All of the bridge crew on the Shenzou saw T'Kuvmas ship appear in front of them and even commented on it, did they not tell Starfleet or something.

Kirk would have been all over that, so would Lorca.
 
Someone should have gone back for that cloak, it beggars belief that it would be just sitting there undefended for six months.

All of the bridge crew on the Shenzou saw T'Kuvmas ship appear in front of them and even commented on it, did they not tell Starfleet or something.

Kirk would have been all over that, so would Lorca.
Hell, Kirk would have seduced T'Kuvma for that cloak.
And he would have got it, too.
 
Neither could anyone one the entire crew of the Shenzhou, since the evidence was determined to be inconclusive.


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Yes. Someone, likely Saru or even Burnham took the telescope from the Shenzhou during the evacuation since they knew it was of immense personal value to the captain and her family. The crew probably evacuated with anything of value they could take with them. They returned the telescope to Georgiou's family, and once Georgiou's will was read it was found to say something like "give the following message and the telescope to Michael Burnham". Seems pretty straight forward.

I'm wondering if it was Saru who took the telescope and kept it on board Discovery. Maybe he decided to hang on to it considering Burnham was headed to jail. I'm thinking Saru gave it to Tilly to give to Burnham, considering the friction between he and Burnham. Also, it's mentioned in the second episode that the reason Sarek arranged for Michael to serve under Georgiou was because she was someone who had suffered great loss, but maintained hope. I'm wondering if Georgiou lost her entire family hence why The telescope was given directly to Burnham. I can imagine that if Georgiou had any biological family they may have been unhappy that a family heirloom would be given to Burnham and contested the will.

I feel like we'll get an explanation about the telescope down the track.
 
Hell, Kirk would have seduced T'Kuvma for that cloak.
And he would have got it, too.
Yeah they did it to the Romulans so no reason they cant do it to the Klingons.

Kirk could just pretend and tell them he has the augment virus, no disguise required.

It really is unbelievable that Starfleet or the Klingons left it so long.

Even if Starfleet could not get to the ship before the cloak was destroyed by the few Klingons left they could have destroyed the ship so that no one could have it.

To be honest I was half expecting it to be the Romulans that turn up to bargain for the cloak, it would have broken canon though as we know that in the prime timeline its the Romulans who trade their cloaking technology for Klingon D7 ship technology.

It would have been an ideal intro for the Romulans and their new look. :ack:

I very much doubt they would fart around for six months before going in for the prize.
 
  • Neither strikes me as an anti-hero, especially Michael. She's doing straight up hero stuff.
  • Not finding the writing any more "shallow" or bad that bast Star Trek. Nor am I seeing style over substance. I think the show could actually use a little more style. ;) I dont think they're being dark for darkness's sakes or even trying to be "cool". They are try to tell Star Trek stories using modern styles and techniques. Heavy serialization and modern adult drama.

I can understand people liking STD, whatever rocks your boat. But calling it a "modern adult drama" in the era of Peak TV? ermm..


We must be watching a different show.

If it is the same telescope how did it wind up in that case with a special message from Georgiou? Did who ever grabbed it turn it over to Georgiou's family or executor? And why did they grab that item?
Well logic doesn't matter as long as it creates some nice moment for our lead.
Same as the dark Federation Court Martial with the spotlight on the accused.
Style over substance?
 
Starfleet didn't get the telescope. They somehow got the box containing the will and telescope. Georgiou put the telescope in the box. It may not even be the telescope from Shenzou. She said it belonged to her family for a long time.

They looked to be different sizes, and there was no tripod. The one on Shenzou was not rusted. I'd argue different scopes.
 
They looked to be different sizes, and there was no tripod. The one on Shenzou was not rusted. I'd argue different scopes.
It's extendable, hence the different lengths. That there is no tripod simply means that they left behind the tripod or it was broken in the attack. The one on the Shenzhou had the same corrosion marks as the one given to Burnham. The gift loses its meaning if it's simply a duplicate telescope. This was a family heirloom passed down for centuries. You don't just buy another one, and you certainly don't give someone a corroded one as a gift unless its age is part of its charm or value to you.

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T'Pol would be nice to see as an aging Vulcan matriarch. Jolene would be a welcome sight as her old character and it'd be fun to see how she'd interpret T'Pol more than a century after we last saw her (not counting the holodeck recording of her in "TATV..."). As a character who saw both Earth's first steps as a galactic power and the birth of the Federation her perspective on the hostilities with the Klingons would be interesting.

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Ambassador T'Pol - If Commander Tucker had not been killed in 2163 this would never have happened.
Aged human with Ambassador T'Pol, Mr Michael Kenmore - I completely agree with you wife.
 
Ambassador T'Pol - If Commander Tucker had not been killed in 2163 this would never have happened.
Aged human with Ambassador T'Pol, Mr Michael Kenmore - I completely agree with you wife.

I'd make it her and Scott Bakula, just to tick us fans off more.

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What lines? If it was on Federation controlled space then the feds should have grabbed it. It is completely implausible that no one cares about this unguarded piece of game changing super tech for six months.
Because its a plot device that Starfleet and the Federation are run by idiots, God only knows why the Borg wanted to assimilate Sector 001.
 
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