I'm not sure I understand the complaints about Frain as Sarek. I don't have enough to go on yet to see how well he's doing. I really want him to succeed; perhaps I'm just dazzled by his outstanding performance on Orphan Black.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x01 - "The Vulcan Hello"
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I know, I'm saying TOS is in the group with Enterprise & DS9.
That's a perfectly valid opinion. I just thought the first separate narrative was a little lacking.
Keep in mind Spock was high AF in Star Trek VI. Doesn't even remember most of it as of 2387.
Except. They aren't. The second part of the story is completely dependent on the first. The narrative of the second episode cannot execute (or be understood) without the first.
To continue the analogy, the identity of the person who blew up Garak's shop is completely irrelevant to Tain's vanity and blunder.
The only thing that connects them is A got Garak and Odo in a position for B to happen. But how they got there doesn't matter to B's story.
Never heard of that. One theory I did hear was there was some sort of psychic discharge involved.
But it is called a nerve pinch so I assume its about the nervous system rather than the circulatory system. Looking at MA. Archer, Seven and Odo have done it. It also mentions that in Voyager it was said to resembles damage to the Trapezius nerve bundle.
Well you can say BOBW Part 1 isn't a complete story without Part 2. But Part 1 is still pretty damn good.
The only thing Spock was high on in Star Trek VI were scented candles. His quarters must have smelled like a Care Bear farted inside a Bed Bath and Beyond.
CBS was never aiming for anything other than roping people in for the streaming service. Showing "part 1" on network was an afterthought. Look at the coming attractions for the season on CBS all access (not CBS proper)--amazing potential. I'm not sure they're looking at ratings out-of-the-box, but subscriptions. And since both were on all access with 2 days or 7 days free, I think they established a nice foundation.
In the words of Borat, "I very excite!"
FYI - I was like everyone else when the Captain said no one has really seen a Klingon in the last Hundred years; BUT even teh Admiral referenced 'beyond a few encounters' and the Klingons themselves mentioned the battle of Donatu V; so they're okay on that.
I LOVED it. (And spoilers because I saw it at a friends and feel the first two episopes are effectively one pilot episode and just saw them immediately back to back on CBSAA (the no commercials account option too.
)- These are definitely NOT Utopian characters with 24th century sensibilities; they are definitely TOS era characters.
- Loved the bickering and difference of opinions (You'd never see that dynamic on TNG unless alien mind control.)
- Loved the humor (and I liked the 'airline flight' bit WRT Burnham's EVA myself; they were trying to show this crew was a family and had a sense of humor.) Way better than anything TNG pulled on TV and on par with the 'Deanna Drunk' scene in ST:FC <-- and about the only halfway decent joke TNG ever did.)
- Loved that they showed Burnham actually seriously hurt from the EVA; and further that she felt she needed to get to the Bridge immediately because she really thought they were in danger and the Captain would need her perspective. (A motivation that fits very well with her backstory.)
Best first episode of Star Trek since TOS - "Where No Man Has Gone Before" + "The Corbomite Maneuver" (The pilot that finally sold the series in 1966 and the first regular episode filmed (although the 9th shown).
I honestly can't see how anyone would thionk ANY of the 'Berman Era' pilot episodes were better than this one. Especially TNG or VOY.
Since others have done Pilot lists (Best to Worst) , I'll do mine:
1) TOS - "Where No Man Has Gone Before"
2) ST: D - "The Vulcan Hello"+ "Battle At The Binary Star"
3) TAS - "Beyond The Farthest Star
4) ENT - "Broken Bow"
5) DS9 - "The Emissary"
5) VOY - "Caretaker" (and yeah, I still haven't seen all of that series - quit at "The 37's"; but I still thought it had potential in the Pilot.)
6) TNG - "Encounter At Farpoint" <--- Yeah, overall I do like TNG better than VOY - but TNG's pilot (and most of it's first season) was crap if I'm being honest. In fact a number of the same people I watch the TNG pilot in 1987 were with me tonite watching ST: D; and we all enjoyed the ST: D pilot and are getting together again next week to continue watching. The reaction to TNG in 1987 was: And I recall it because we were all of the same opinion -"They had years to develop this, and this pilot was the best they could do?"
And yeah, for me ST: D blows The Orville away; but ST: D is trying to get away from past Star Trek tropes and the Orville is embracing them with a twist and is entertaining as well. I do like ST: D better, but I enjoy and will continue to watch both.
As always YMMV.
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Viewed both episodes of the premiere in Toronto where it was filmed with a very large group at a premiere party.
Reactions were mixed.
I....'liked' them, but only if I pretend they aren't connected to existing Trek. More of an 'Elseworlds' story.
Reactions were mixed.
I....'liked' them, but only if I pretend they aren't connected to existing Trek. More of an 'Elseworlds' story.
Yes but BOBW is presented under the pretense they they're to be view sequentially.
That's the whole point of the argument. They whole idea behind having numbered episodes is it creates an agreement between writer and audience they're to be viewed as such. And this was really "The Vulcan Hello Parts I and II." But by giving the episodes two different names, the creators are infringing on that agreement.
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Eh, I just feel it was bait and switch. Promise a free pilot, but end up only making it half a pilot, and the other half you have to subscribe.
Who lights a candle inside a starship ALREADY prone to random explosions? I always figured Spock had just taken a shit and was trying to hide it.
My statement about the structure of TVH and BotBS in comparison to the DS9 episodes I mentioned isn't/wasn't an opinion.
Fullerverse!
Well that's just like...your opinion, man.
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