Spoilers Game of Thrones - Season 7

[Captaindemotion]

Also...how sure was Cercei that all three kids were Jamie's? If she was sleeping with both Jamie and Robert surely there is a chance that one or more of them was Robert's.

Did they know enough about fertility and ovulation for her to time events to make it more likely that they would be Jamie's kids?

Spoiler: Mild spoiler for the books

In the books, she's a point of view character and IIRC, in one chapter she recollects how she used to finish Robert with her hand or mouth and not let him ejaculate inside her, as she didn't want to bear his children. He was generally too drunk to catch on to what she was doing.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Spoiler: Mild spoiler for the books

In the books, she's a point of view character and IIRC, in one chapter she recollects how she used to finish Robert with her hand or mouth and not let him ejaculate inside her, as she didn't want to bear his children. He was generally too drunk to catch on to what she was doing.

And while not as descriptive as that, she more or less said the same in the show.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Spoiler: Mild spoiler for the books

In the books, she's a point of view character and IIRC, in one chapter she recollects how she used to finish Robert with her hand or mouth and not let him ejaculate inside her, as she didn't want to bear his children. He was generally too drunk to catch on to what she was doing.

Spoiler

Yep, she even commented on how she "killed millions of his children" - I'm assuming by eating his sperm. GRRM's writing is quite...descriptive...in many ways.

 

[Sophie74656]

Spoiler: Mild spoiler for the books

In the books, she's a point of view character and IIRC, in one chapter she recollects how she used to finish Robert with her hand or mouth and not let him ejaculate inside her, as she didn't want to bear his children. He was generally too drunk to catch on to what she was doing.

interesting..thanks

 

[Sophie74656]

And while not as descriptive as that, she more or less said the same in the show.

I couldn't remember if she had mentioned anything along those lines or not.

 

[DigificWriter]

@cultcross As I mentioned, their comments about Cersei bluffing Tyrion and Tyrion calling her bluff are DIRECTLY overlaid on top of the specific part of that scene where she puts her hand over her belly and Tyrion says "You're pregnant"; the part where he tells her to kill him isn't even shown during the "Inside the Episode" segment at all. Dan and David don't do anything by chance, so the fact that they talk about Cersei bluffing Tyrion right as he sees her put her hand over her belly, leading him to verbally come to the conclusion that she's pregnant, makes it pretty clear what they're referring to when they talk about her bluffing him.

 

[cultcross]

@cultcross As I mentioned, their comments about Cersei bluffing Tyrion and Tyrion calling her bluff are DIRECTLY overlaid on top of the specific part of that scene where she puts her hand over her belly and Tyrion says "You're pregnant"; the part where he tells her to kill him isn't even shown during the "Inside the Episode" segment at all. Dan and David don't do anything by chance, so the fact that they talk about Cersei bluffing Tyrion right as he sees her put her hand over her belly, leading him to verbally come to the conclusion that she's pregnant, makes it pretty clear what they're referring to when they talk about her bluffing him.

Just watched it again, there is a long sentence about the scene which includes several little cuts of the scene including the bit where she touches her belly, they play the dialogue line about not wanting to change the world, and then the voiceover says "It's a little bit of a poker game they're playing there because it seems like she's bluffing and he reads her bluff, but she wanted him to read her bluff, this was all part of her game." I really don't see how you get from that that she isn't pregnant. That wasn't part of the bluff, the playing Tyrion was the fake agreement to go along to the North. She certainly wouldn't want him to 'read her bluff' if she was bluffing about being pregnant, and he doesn't - he just says, straight faced, "You're pregnant". If that was a bluff, he didn't read it at all.

 

[DigificWriter]

I went back and watched the Inside the Episode segment again myself because I wanted to make sure I wasn't mistaken in what I was talking about, and at the exact moment that Dvaid and Dan talk about Cersei bluffing and Tyrion calling her bluff, the portion of their meeting scene that comes onscreen is the "You're pregnant" bit. The point of the "Inside the Episode" segments is for Dan and David to offer their own personal insight into important bits of the show's narrative, so specifically showing her clutch her belly and Tyrion go "You're pregnant" at the same time they're talking about her bluffing him is not a coincidence; it's pointing out something that they want you to pick up on specifically.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Spoiler: Mild spoiler for the books

In the books, she's a point of view character and IIRC, in one chapter she recollects how she used to finish Robert with her hand or mouth and not let him ejaculate inside her, as she didn't want to bear his children. He was generally too drunk to catch on to what she was doing.

The Hand of the King pendant used to look very different.

Spoiler

 

[Noname Given]

Cersei said that she has hired the Golden Company from Essos to fight for her. Two things about the Company. Jorah Mormont served in it after his exile. And it was founded by Aegor Rivers, a half Targaryen bastard. It should be interesting when they take to the field in season 8.

Question though: Where did she get the Gold for that? I thought the Dragon attack on Jamies' 'Gold Convoy' resulted in the Iron Banl not being paid back as Cersei promised. ( if Daenerys just left the gold for them to retrieve, what was the point of the attach?)

 

[Captaindemotion]

Spoiler

Yep, she even commented on how she "killed millions of his children" - I'm assuming by eating his sperm. GRRM's writing is quite...descriptive...in many ways.

Yup, I was wondering how much detail I should go into in those respects, lol!!! Didn't want to, ahem, leave a bad taste in the mouth.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Question though: Where did she get the Gold for that? I thought the Dragon attack on Jamies' 'Gold Convoy' resulted in the Iron Banl not being paid back as Cersei promised. ( if Daenerys just left the gold for them to retrieve, what was the point of the attach?)

Randall Tarley rode up to them at some point prior to the attack and said the gold was safely within the walls of Kings Landing. The convoy held food and other supplies.

Yup, I was wondering how much detail I should go into in those respects, lol!!! Didn't want to, ahem, leave a bad taste in the mouth.

[Jimmy Fallon] Ewwah! [/Jimmy Fallon]

Glad to be of service!

 

[DigificWriter]

As has already been mentioned, Highgarden's gold was already safely within the walls of Kings' Landing by the time Dany attacked; with said gold, Cersei not only settled her family/the crown's massive debts with the Iron Bank, but brokered a successful transaction, through that same institution, with the Golden Company.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Since it had already been mentioned, did it really need to be mentioned again?

 

[Jax]

Loads of people are talking about that long stare that Tyrion had at the end and quite a few are saying he will betray his new Queen too save his family but I don't buy that for a second. Tyrion won't potentially hand the kingdom to Cersei after everything that has happened. Do you think Tyrion knows about Jon's true identify? Tyrion went out of his way to speak to Jon in season 1 and took an interest in him from the start. Also i'm pretty sure Tyrion has mentioned in the past how much he read in his early life, I assume the reason being knowledge is power and he may of discovered the breadcrumbs at some point regarding Jon.

 

[Captaindemotion]

Loads of people are talking about that long stare that Tyrion had at the end and quite a few are saying he will betray his new Queen too save his family but I don't buy that for a second. Tyrion won't potentially hand the kingdom to Cersei after everything that has happened. Do you think Tyrion knows about Jon's true identify? Tyrion went out of his way to speak to Jon in season 1 and took an interest in him from the start. Also i'm pretty sure Tyrion has mentioned in the past how much he read in his early life, I assume the reason being knowledge is power and he may of discovered the breadcrumbs at some point regarding Jon.

I can't see how he'd know. Ned guarded that secret with his life. Not even his wife knew. Bran only discovered it via the visions and Sam didn't initially make the connection when Gilly referred to the private diary of the man who married Rhaegar & Lyanna. Tyrion was well-read but would have hardly have read a diary held in the citadel and even if he had, how would he link it to Jon?

 

[Sophie74656]

Could Tyrion simply be deeply torn between loyalties? Perhaps not entirely sure of what side to take?

 

[cultcross]

Also the show has dropped hints that he's either in love with Dany or feels jealousy towards others in regard to her affections. He was involved in getting rid of Mormont, the decision to leave Daario behind, the fact that Tyrion the womaniser has been chaste since Kings Landing, and then some interesting reactions to John after he showed up. However, if the show was trying to sell that angle, I wasn't buying. I didn't get that from Tyrion's performances to date, especially the scene tells Dany that John likes her, which leaves the scene of him looking annoyed at the Dragon and the Wolf hookup a bit strangely placed - who else is Dany realistically going to marry in Westeros? A match with John not only makes excellent political sense, he is essentially the only option.

 

[Captaindemotion]

^Yeah, we already have Ser Friendzone Mormont for the "unrequited love" story, it'd be very lazy and boring storytelling to put Tyrion in such a story too.

 

[Reverend]

I'm pretty sure Tyrion is just concerned for the consequences of Jon and Daenerys becoming emotionally entangled.
How will the northern Lords react? How will this affect her decisions going forward? Does this close of avenues off seeking alliance with other great houses? What about the succession? What happens in the seemingly very likely event that he's killed in battle? The last time someone she loved was offed, she lost control of her khalasar, burnt someone at the stake and maybe went slightly suicidal. Not an ideal mindset for someone supposed to be remaking the world into a better place.
As her own great uncle told both Jon and Sam: "Love is the death of duty."

Anyone seriously suggesting that Tyrion is either in league with Cersei or infatuated with Daenerys (at least anymore than anyone else in her service) clearly hasn't been watching the same show as the rest of us.

A match with John not only makes excellent political sense, he is essentially the only option.

That may have been the case at the start of the season, but no longer. She now already has his oath of fealty and assuming they survive all this, there's zero chance that the north would side with the Lannisters in a war over the throne.

The value in a political marriage is in sealing a breach or acquiring what it currently out of reach. Granted most of the major players are off the board, but other lesser houses are sure to fill some of those gaps and a union with one of them could secure an entire kingdom. Dorne for example, which historically was always difficult for the Targaryen to address by force.