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Middle-Easterners in "Discovery"

If we're going to say that the diversity wasn't part of Gene's vision (as has generally been the consensus for 50+ years), and was rather at the behest of the network (which I find incredibly hard to believe given the time) I'm afraid I'm going to need to see some sources for such a claim to be credible.
 
My point here really is I'm just a liiiittle bit concerned about the rah-rah-America subtext in some of these comments.

You take your own opinions too seriously and "misunderestimate" others, then.

I think it's pretty obvious that the triumph of the Federation and the Earth government is that we're past stuff like jingoism and borders and us/them thinking. Our achievements are humankind's achievements, not the exclusive property of imaginary lines.

And that is projecting into the shows what you want to see while turning a blind eye to much of what is there and, uh, subtext. As the guy sang, "Space may be the final frontier, but it's made in a Hollywood basement."

Trek is shot through with all kinds of American chauvinism and myopia. It continually astonishes me that folks from so many other places embrace its message so uncritically, when a part of that message is "you're represented in the future, as long as you think and act like an American (with optional "international" accent)."
 
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If we're going to say that the diversity wasn't part of Gene's vision (as has generally been the consensus for 50+ years), and was rather at the behest of the network (which I find incredibly hard to believe given the time) I'm afraid I'm going to need to see some sources for such a claim to be credible.

Read Inside Star Trek by Herb Solow and Robert Justman.
 
If we're going to say that the diversity wasn't part of Gene's vision (as has generally been the consensus for 50+ years), and was rather at the behest of the network (which I find incredibly hard to believe given the time) I'm afraid I'm going to need to see some sources for such a claim to be credible.
Just look at the characters in "The Cage." The only minority actor has a blink-and-you'll-miss-it non-speaking role in the transporter room scene.

NBC took notice and issued Roddenberry a memo asking him to include more minority characters like all their other shows already had.

Kor
 
Which explains the 336 Nobel prize awarded to Americans ... right?
Any of them voted for Trump? If so they should give it back.

I'm sure the Aboriginals in Australia would love the desendants of the Europeans to leave.
And I would not blame them one bit.

Who says that America was involved in the war in any way? The untouched landscape surrounding a misslie silo on a military base says "America sat this one out."

Star Trek canon does
 
This is getting absurd. Star Trek has always had pretty diverse cast.

Diverse by very low Hollywood standards at best. I see more diversity on my daily commute than I've ever seen in Trek. Even then, Enterprise's cast was strikingly lacking in diversity - and that's the most recent of the series.

It's no wonder that troglodytes are whining about the diversity of Discovery's cast as being some sort of PC agenda or some such; they're just not used to it in Trek.

Going from the observation that it could have been even more diverse to the conclusion that Roddenberry (or other people in charge) was some sort of white supremacist is ludicrous and insulting.

That's just a pure strawman.
 
My point here really is I'm just a liiiittle bit concerned about the rah-rah-America subtext in some of these comments. I think it's pretty obvious that the triumph of the Federation and the Earth government is that we're past stuff like jingoism and borders and us/them thinking. Our achievements are humankind's achievements, not the exclusive property of imaginary lines.
Lets be honest Star Trek is really based on the premise that the rest of the world becomes the 51st state lol
Its called United Earth instead of the United States of Earth to appease the Russians, Chinese and French. Either that or everyone else left to colonise Mars after WW3 and left the remains of Earth to the USA.
 
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Diverse by very low Hollywood standards at best. I see more diversity on my daily commute than I've ever seen in Trek. Even then, Enterprise's cast was strikingly lacking in diversity.

The black chauffeur of Driving Mr. Archer didn't satisfy your need for diversity? :lol:
 
If you want to go with a true representation of humanity, most humans we see would be non-white. Its a Hollywood casting issues that we keep seeing so many white people when most of humanity is not white.
If the USA is the main Hollywood market about 2/3rd of them are White, its all about following the money. Not sure how many markets there are for Hollywood movies in China and India despite their billion dollar populations. Sadly Africa is not on their economic level yet, if they were there might be a lot more brown skinned folks in Hollywood movies and leading roles.
The only colour that matters to them is the one that looks like this $$$$$$
 
Discovery is still an American show, aimed at middle class American audiences. Casting an African-American woman in the lead is simply going belatedly where other American TV series have gone before.

For the most part, the Hollywood paradigm for appealing to international audiences is casting a few non-American/non-European actors and simplifying scripts. While CBS looks to have made some effort on the former element, the latter is not yet in evidence.
 
We clearly didn't see the same thing.
Guess not, I see people dressed for the weather (not the latest fashion no except for Lily), people not apparently starving, structures that didn't collapse when a Borg "fireball" detonated immediately next to it. Again the town looked pretty clean.
EDIT: Memory Alpha describes Cochrane's America as "devastated" and "poverty-stricken."
MA is a fan wiki, the folks at MA are known to use their imaginations, given that we never saw America outside of a single location, how could whoever wrote that entry have seen devastated and poverty-stricken in the movie?

Hell, Lily was dressed in a nice leather outfit.

And the people who were building a starship were "poverty-stricken?"
Limited Nuclear Winter + Cities Nukes + Cessation of Global Trade + Massive Overpopulation = Full Collapse.
No. Deanna said the the Earth was recovered in sixty years following the 3rd world war., that sounds like there wasn't a general collapse of Earth's governments, societies, and general economy. In the nations directly engaged in the war yes, the rest of the Earth considerably less so.

Someone had to be there to pick up the pieces.
I think it's pretty obvious that the triumph of the Federation and the Earth government is that we're past stuff like jingoism and borders and us/them thinking.
Picard and France.
Any of them voted for Trump? If so they should give it back.
Given the alternative in the last election, Trump was the correct choice.
They call it WORLD War III for a reason, you know
Because nuclear weapons were used..
Star Trek canon does
Star Trek canon never states that America was involve in the 3rd world war.
 
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Given the alternative in the last election, Trump was the correct choice.
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Going by Riker's statement of six hundred million dead, while absolutely terrible that's still a lower percentage of the world population than the USSR took in WWII. If there really was as complete a collapse as some people are stating, you should see multi-billion causalities from famine alone. Also, Cochrane made it very clear he expected to sell the warp drive and get rich, which is pretty hard when there's no money and no one to buy things.
 
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