We get credit for all the good stuff. Zefram Cochrane, the Constitution, democracy, etc.
Even the Ferengi are just glorified Yankee Traders.
Even the Ferengi are just glorified Yankee Traders.
Middle-Easterners in "Discovery"
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If the tone of my post wasn't clear, I was making a joke.
Cochrane was very clearly born prior to WWIII, making him very much an American.
You just know if it all really is going to happen like that, the ghost of Trump is just gonna sit there and say 'see how good it was I started WW3? No unified galaxy without me!! Make the Milky Way great again!'
If the tone of my post wasn't clear, I was having a stroke and a heart attack all at once. Thank you for clarifying though, I feel a little better now.
Aside from which, even if our country and government falls apart we're still Americans. There are a number of European nations who've had multiple forms of government just in the last century or so.
That's one small step for a man...one giant leap for 'Murica.Aside from which, even if our country and government falls apart we're still Americans. There are a number of European nations who've had multiple forms of government just in the last century or so.
The Montana shown in the movie FC was a lush forest. The small town in the movie was generally clean, decently constructed and the people weren't dressed in rags and were evidently well fed.
Which explains the 336 Nobel prize awarded to Americans ... right?
I'm sure the Aboriginals in Australia would love the desendants of the Europeans to leave.
Who says that America was involved in the war in any way? The untouched landscape surrounding a misslie silo on a military base says "America sat this one out."
We clearly didn't see the same thing.
EDIT: Memory Alpha describes Cochrane's America as "devastated" and "poverty-stricken." Everyone we see, including Cochrane, are dressed in dirty, old clothing. These are not thriving people.
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That much is evident.
Of course, we also didn't see any evidence that there was someplace on Earth that had weathered the storms any better than Boseman, Montana.
Hey, maybe the whole Earth was repopulated from a few surviving counties in the western U.S.
That would go a long way to explaining the apparent cultural homogeneity of humanity in the Star Trek Future (including the fact that people of European descent are so vastly over-represented in Star Trek).
Cochrane's gang play an electric jukebox and drink whiskey out of the bottle at their dance parties. They don't strike me as particularly deprived. At worst, they don't get to shop at J. Crews.
Also worth noting: Cochrane "hates to fly," choosing to take trains instead. The opportunity and the luxury of choice between reasonably modern modes of transportation does not conjure up a post-atomic horror.
Also worth noting: Cochrane "hates to fly," choosing to take trains instead. The opportunity and the luxury of choice between reasonably modern modes of transportation does not conjure up a post-atomic horror.
The US doesn't have the socioeconomic and political factors that screw over other countries.
China and India collapse because Limited Nuclear Winter + Cities Nukes + Cessation of Global Trade + Massive Overpopulation = Full Collapse.
Africa and South America collapse because Limited Nuclear Winter + Cessation of Global Trade + Loss of Foreign Aid = Full Collapse.
And the Middle East nukes itself because well, it's the middle east and the countries there can't leave Israel alone.
Comparatively while those things would hurt the US, it would be to a much lesser degree because the US has a low overall population and produces significantly more food then it actually needs.
That's not how it works.
"'Postrophe? Aint dat fer makin' plural's?"
I'd hope that by Star Trek's time, anyone can believe whatever they want as long as they can't legislate others' rights away because of it.
No, it wasn't.
World War III took place in 2053. TNG's "The Royale" shows a US flag with 52 stars, which places the flag somewhere between 2033 and 2079. So therefore the US survives the war.
Besides, in FC, Riker said there were very few governments left. He didn't say there were NONE left.
And who do you think was going to pay Cochrane the money he so desperately wanted, anyway?
My point here really is I'm just a liiiittle bit concerned about the rah-rah-America subtext in some of these comments. I think it's pretty obvious that the triumph of the Federation and the Earth government is that we're past stuff like jingoism and borders and us/them thinking. Our achievements are humankind's achievements, not the exclusive property of imaginary lines.No, it wasn't.
World War III took place in 2053. TNG's "The Royale" shows a US flag with 52 stars, which places the flag somewhere between 2033 and 2079. So therefore the US survives the war.
Besides, in FC, Riker said there were very few governments left. He didn't say there were NONE left.
And who do you think was going to pay Cochrane the money he so desperately wanted, anyway?
There's nothing wrong with a healthy amount of pride in your country and where you come from. I agree, don't go overboard, but don't hide it either. Nobody should feel obligated to be ashamed of their country.
And there will always be borders.
And there will always be borders.
The lines aren't imaginary. In Trek, it is primarily white Americans that lead the way. That is "Gene's Vision". Look at "The Cage".
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