Kelvin Timeline all but confirmed

[captainkirk]

Since Doctor Who is being used as an example, wouldn't a visual update of TOS be like going from this:

To this?:

Discovery is more like this:

Also, I was always told that only what was onscreen is canon. If we're suddenly including things the producers have said, then we have to say that a lot of crazy Roddenberryisms are canon as well.

 

[Smoked Salmon]

Since Doctor Who is being used as an example, wouldn't a visual update of TOS be like going from this:

To this?:

Discovery is more like this:

Also, I was always told that only what was onscreen is canon. If we're suddenly including things the producers have said, then we have to say that a lot of crazy Roddenberryisms are canon as well.

Is TOS as easy as a Dalek to visually upgrade?

 

[F. King Daniel]

They've definitely borrowed from the Kelvin movies for the look, no doubt about that. They claim it's Prime universe, but I kinda find it hard to reconcile all this with Spock's paper printer from "The Cage", so I'm saying it's PUNO (Prime Universe in Name Only) and that it's really another reboot. And that's okay! I wanted a Gotham to the movies' Batman Vs Superman/Justice League/etc and it looks like I've got exactly what I wanted

 

[Freman]

Uh, yeah, whatever. All those Klingons at least look like they are from the same species. The Discovery ones look like a completely new alien race. Nice try. lol

 

[DigificWriter]

If this is the Prime timeline, then what the hell is up with those Klingons?

The show decided to redesign their look; it he (and yes, I say this knowing that at one point in time I myself was objecting to the idea of things being redesigned, which is a point of view I've since come to realize was wrong)

Turned right off this series now.

How sad for you that you're so hung up on things of so little consequence.

 

[Freman]

Sorry for liking continuity. If you're gonna sell something as being in the same continuity as a bunch of different series, then you keep certain things consistent.

Updated special effects, I can handle, but the Klingons looking like that is called a continuity error. At this point, most of the Klingons should be looking like they do in TOS. If they had used the TNG etc design, and said there were still some ridge-heads left, I could have bought into that. Instead we get a whole new look.

if you're gonna change a show so it's unrecognizable from the timeline you're setting it in, just make it a whole new timeline. And don't try to pass it off as something it isn't.

I'm just getting tired of reboots/remakes/reimaginings.

 

[Jayson1]

I have a question. If this was a post-TNG/DS9/Voyager era show do you think the look would feel more authentic to the prime universe as oposed to putting it 10 years before TOS?
I think it would which makes me wonder if some of those fans who wanted a show set more into the future might have had a point.
I really enjoyed the teaser but I got to admit I enjoy it more because it does feel like a Kelvin style reboot were as if this was a post TNG/DS9/Voyager setting I think I would have like the teaser because it felt like a more honest attempt to stay inside the prime universe with some modern updating.
Either way I would have liked it but isn't it okay for people to like it for different reasons?
Jason

 

[Amaris]

They've definitely borrowed from the Kelvin movies for the look, no doubt about that. They claim it's Prime universe, but I kinda find it hard to reconcile all this with Spock's paper printer from "The Cage", so I'm saying it's PUNO (Prime Universe in Name Only) and that it's really another reboot. And that's okay! I wanted a Gotham to the movies' Batman Vs Superman/Justice League/etc and it looks like I've got exactly what I wanted

I'm upset because they decided not to glue random plastic pipes to the walls in the corridor, or use plastic boards and knobs as set pieces in Engineering. How can you have engineering without this?!

Sorry for liking continuity. If you're gonna sell something as being in the same continuity as a bunch of different series, then you keep certain things consistent.

Advances in technology, special effects, and changing tastes after 6 decades be damned, eh? You can have exactly that. It's called Star Trek, produced in 1966, and it ran for 3 seasons.

 

[trekfan_1]

Starfleet didn't "say" anything. The show was made 50 years ago. None of what we SAW would have actually looked that way. In fact, depending on how you interpret TMP, you could say the entire "refit" of the Enterprise is actually a retcon.

That's a far interpretation but every time the TOS era was later revisited ie. "Trials and Tribble-ations" they never changed the visuals to make it look "more modern" or TMP era like.

I almost wish episodes like "Tribble-ations" "Relics" (showing the old bridge) and "In a Mirror Darkly" were never made. It would be easier for me to reconcile to the fact that TOS would of been "remembered differently" (tech and visual standpoint) to a future starfleet generation (ie. Picard era) and the version we saw as fans was through a 1960s lense but not exactly how trek history recorded it.

 

[captainkirk]

Is TOS as easy as a Dalek to visually upgrade?

I don't know. To me, the Daleks look outdated and I would prefer a brand new design (not the awful ones in Victory of the Daleks). If the Cybermen get redesigned regularly then the Daleks should as well.

 

[Mr Awe]

I just can't see how the way it looks in the show turns into what it looked like in TOS, especially with it being 10 years before that.

This is a reimagining. It's the same timeline but the visual style is updated to use modern technology and modern design sensibilities so it can attract modern audiences. However, it's still the same timeline. Think of the huge jump from TOS to TMP. A few short years in-universe but the entire look of *everything* changed. Still the same crew on the same ship in the same timeline.

 

[Noname Given]

They've definitely borrowed from the Kelvin movies for the look, no doubt about that. They claim it's Prime universe, but I kinda find it hard to reconcile all this with Spock's paper printer from "The Cage", so I'm saying it's PUNO (Prime Universe in Name Only) and that it's really another reboot. And that's okay! I wanted a Gotham to the movies' Batman Vs Superman/Justice League/etc and it looks like I've got exactly what I wanted

Again since the U.S.S. Kelvin WAS in the actual Prime Universe (launched in the 2230ies) because the divergence didn't occur until Nero's ship appeared and destroyed the ship (and killed George Kirk) - and the fact the U.S.S. Shenzhou is very much an older vessel (it has design influences from the NX-01 with the saucer section and Gold Deflector Dish) - IF the U.S.S. Shenzhou was built in the same era (2230ies) as the U.S.S. Kelvin; why wouldn't they share similarities in Bridge design?

TLDR - fits in the Prime Universe and not a Reboot

 

[DigificWriter]

Sorry for liking continuity. If you're gonna sell something as being in the same continuity as a bunch of different series, then you keep certain things consistent.

Setting aside the practical fact that the show's aesthetic means jack-squat in relation to its status as part of the Prime Timeline continuity, your argument falls apart in the face of the fact that we've already previously seen pre-TOS stuff from the Prime Timeline that does not confirm to the same aesthetic as TOS.

 

[Voth commando1]

I can tell this aesthetic is going to be the source of a lot of fan debates on the internet.

 

[captainkirk]

Again since the U.S.S. Kelvin WAS in the actual Prime Universe (launched in the 2230ies) because the divergence didn't occur until Nero's ship appeared and destroyed the ship (and killed George Kirk) - and the fact the U.S.S. Shenzhou is very much an older vessel (it has design influences from the NX-01 with the saucer section and Gold Deflector Dish) - IF the U.S.S. Shenzhou was built in the same era (2230ies) as the U.S.S. Kelvin; why wouldn't they share similarities in Bridge design?

TLDR - fits in the Prime Universe and not a Reboot

But the Kelvin's registry is 0514, while Discovery's is 1031, and the Shenzhou's is 1227, so shouldn't that mean they were built long afterwards? Although the registries have never actually made any sense, it does at least imply that the Kelvin is a much older ship.

 

[DigificWriter]

But the Kelvin's registry is 0514, while Discovery's is 1031, and the Shenzhou's is 1227, so shouldn't that mean they were built long afterwards? Although the registries have never actually made any sense, it does at least imply that the Kelvin is a much older ship.

No, it doesn't.

 

[sttngfan1701d]

I actually thought they took elements of the Kelvin movies and a little bit of Enterprise and mixed them. And that's fine. What did people think was going to happen...an aesthetic that's identical to 1960's TOS? Come on. They changed the look from TOS to TMP. This is no different.

 

[captainkirk]

No, it doesn't.

Really? All I said was that it implies it's much older. The Shenzhou's registry is more than double the Kelvin's. Like I said, the registries rarely made sense, but it does allow one to make an educated guess.

 

[DigificWriter]

^ You're not making an "educated guess"; you're engaging in pure speculation and trying to pass it off as having Canonical in-universe relevance.

 

[Amaris]

Uh, yeah, whatever. All those Klingons at least look like they are from the same species. The Discovery ones look like a completely new alien race. Nice try. lol

Hi, lol. The Klingons between TOS and The Motion Picture are radically different, lol. If you don't like the new Klingons, lol, that's fine, lol, but your argument is moot, lol, because of the radical design change Roddenberry himself implemented, lol, back when he had full control of the films, lol. Have a nice day. lol