Kelvin Timeline all but confirmed

[Smoked Salmon]

^ You're not making an "educated guess"; you're engaging in pure speculation and trying to pass it off as having Canonical in-universe relevance.

Um, no. In the overall canon registry numbers have been mostly sequential. So while it may not be fact to say that the Kelvin was an earlier ship, the overall ship progression in the franchise canon leans heavily towards that idea. So it's not random speculation, it's canon driven speculation.

 

[Smoked Salmon]

Hi, lol. The Klingons between TOS and The Motion Picture are radically different, lol. If you don't like the new Klingons, lol, that's fine, lol, but your argument is moot, lol, because of the radical design change Roddenberry himself implemented, lol, back when he had full control of the films, lol. Have a nice day. lol

I didn't like the behind the scenes "klingons" we saw a few months back, but these look revised from those, clearly retain the ridges and don't look that radically different from TMP Klingons. The TOS to TMP leap was far more drastic, and I am sure that the show can offer up an in universe explanation. After all, that they seem to have retained little things like the Klingon death cry suggests to me that they're not purposely setting out to dump all over canon....and and hasn't anyone else noticed that the face on the sarcophagus looks like a TNG Klingon, complete with hair?

 

[The Rock]

Oh well, at least we know that Tribbles will look exactly the same.

 

[Amaris]

I didn't like the behind the scenes "klingons" we saw a few months back, but these look revised from those, clearly retain the ridges and don't look that radically different from TMP Klingons. The TOS to TMP leap was far more drastic, and I am sure that the show can offer up an in universe explanation. After all, that they seem to have retained little things like the Klingon death cry suggests to me that they're not purposely setting out to dump all over canon.

They're not dumping all over canon anyway. Canon is such an abused concept in the Star Trek universe, because it has been modified and retconned so many times, it proves the multiverse theory on its own. Canon is a very loosely based concept in this franchise.

 

[DigificWriter]

Um, no. In the overall canon registry numbers have been mostly sequential. So while it may not be fact to say that the Kelvin was an earlier ship, the overall ship progression in the franchise canon leans heavily towards that idea. So it's not random speculation, it's canon driven speculation.

I don't agree, and I've been watching Star Trek since the late 80s. Nothing I've ever come across has ever suggested that registry numbers are sequential or have any sort of pattern to them unless they're applied to ships of a particular specific 'lineage'.

 

[Smoked Salmon]

Sorry for liking continuity. If you're gonna sell something as being in the same continuity as a bunch of different series, then you keep certain things consistent.

Updated special effects, I can handle, but the Klingons looking like that is called a continuity error. At this point, most of the Klingons should be looking like they do in TOS. If they had used the TNG etc design, and said there were still some ridge-heads left, I could have bought into that. Instead we get a whole new look.

if you're gonna change a show so it's unrecognizable from the timeline you're setting it in, just make it a whole new timeline. And don't try to pass it off as something it isn't.

I'm just getting tired of reboots/remakes/reimaginings.

The Klingons can be explained away with a few lines of good dialogue. There is nothing in canon to say that Starfleet never encountered this breed of Klingon.

I too love continuity, and if it were up to me the show would make great effort as it goes along to tie into the TOS aesthetic. But I think we have to be realistic. The show needs to appeal not just to us but also to people who would take one look at a show that resembled TOS and laugh. I think people have to accept that the look of any show, prequel or otherwise, has to evolve at least to some extent for it to be a realistic contender in today's marketplace.

 

[Smoked Salmon]

They're not dumping all over canon anyway. Canon is such an abused concept in the Star Trek universe, because it has been modified and retconned so many times, it proves the multiverse theory on its own. Canon is a very loosely based concept in this franchise.

I have to say that I disagree with this somewhat. Compared to a lot of other franchises the Trek continuity has been one of the best preserved. Yes there have been errors and retcons. But we're talking, what, 800 plus hours? For it to be as structured as it is with all that content means it is more than just a "loosely based concept" IMO. I think that as long as they go to some lengths to fit in with that and ensure that the show can slot in comfortably within the overall franchise, then that will appease most who value the continuity - and there is nothing about the current design aesthetic that is a flat out deal-breaker in that regard. Hell, the Kelvin itself was a more radical departure and people seem to have accepted that now as part of the overall canon.

 

[Amaris]

I don't agree, and I've been watching Star Trek since the late 80s. Nothing I've ever come across has ever suggested that registry numbers are sequential or have any sort of pattern to them unless they're applied to ships of a particular specific 'lineage'.

Yep. All fanon.

I have to say that I disagree with this somewhat. Compared to a lot of other franchises the Trek continuity has been one of the best preserved. Yes there have been errors and retcons. But we're talking, what, 800 plus hours? For it to be as structured as it is with all that content means it is more than just a "loosely based concept" IMO. I think that as long as they go to some lengths to fit in with that and ensure that the show can slot in comfortably within the overall franchise, then that will appease most who value the continuity - and there is nothing about the current design aesthetic that is a flat out deal-breaker in that regard. Hell, the Kelvin itself was a more radical departure and people seem to have accepted that now as part of the overall canon.

The general narrative has been kept the same, but the details change based on what best fits the story. Yes, the folks behind each iteration of Star Trek takes pains to keep things generally consistent in broad strokes, but the detailed strokes are more of an impressionist's work.

 

[trekfan_1]

I can tell this aesthetic is going to be the source of a lot of fan debates on the internet.

Yep. I think the issue here is that Star Trek fans have arrived at a crossroads when it comes to how we should perceive TOS and how its fits to the overall canon of Star Trek . It would of been easier if Discovery was based in the future. The TOS era could of been left alone in its own corner of trek canon.

Like I said in my previous post, it would be easier to retcon all of TOS (aesthetic wise) had they not taken pains in the other trek shows to preserve the 60s look every time it was revisted. All that did is further cement the old visual canon for that era. I will concede that this is not a rational viewpoint. Its an emotional one. I think alot of Trek fans (myself included) need to let go of nostalgia and accept modern sensibilities. For some of us, its not easy though.

 

[KennyB]

I actually thought they took elements of the Kelvin movies and a little bit of Enterprise and mixed them. And that's fine. What did people think was going to happen...an aesthetic that's identical to 1960's TOS? Come on. They changed the look from TOS to TMP. This is no different.

I think some of them REALLY did..........and that is just sad.

 

[KennyB]

I think alot of Trek fans (myself included) need to let go of nostalgia and accept modern sensibilities. For some of us, its not easy though.

Yup, and in previous Trek shows when they went back to TOS timeline it was more of a gimmick for ratings than "preserving the timeline".

 

[Amaris]

Yup, and in previous Trek shows when they went back to TOS timeline it was more of a gimmick for ratings than "preserving the timeline".

Yep. It was to capitalize on nostalgia, and it worked. I loved "Trials and Tribble-ations," and it's still one of my favorite episodes. Seeing all of TOS in that glorious and bold color, well before the HD releases of the original series? It was a feast. That said, I was glad to get back to more "modern" Trek. Nostalgia only works for so long.

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

This looks more NuVerse than Prime unfortunately, rather disappointed.

 

[JamesRye]

The aesthetic certainly fits with the Kelvin timeline more than Prime. So I'm happy about this. Had they really tried to make it look like 60's Trek, then I think the show would've been laughed off the airwaves.

 

[Amaris]

The aesthetic certainly fits with the Kelvin timeline more than Prime. So I'm happy about this. Had they really tried to make it look like 60's Trek, then I think the show would've been laughed off the airwaves.

There would have been a very small contingent happy with it, but yeah, I think most people would have said "what the fuck is this?!" and it would have tanked after its first season. There are shows that can do a stylistic remake using the exact designs of the 1960s, but a science fiction show set in the 23rd century, and hoping to draw in millions of viewers, based on a subscription service, isn't one of them.

 

[trekfan_1]

My preference would of been simply to set it in the future (post Nemesis). And I'm not just saying this primarily for canon preservation issues but from a creative viewpoint. Clean slate, can do anything they want, put the Federation in peril etc. Still don't understand why they didn't do this.

 

[Freman]

I'm upset because they decided not to glue random plastic pipes to the walls in the corridor, or use plastic boards and knobs as set pieces in Engineering. How can you have engineering without this?!

Advances in technology, special effects, and changing tastes after 6 decades be damned, eh? You can have exactly that. It's called Star Trek, produced in 1966, and it ran for 3 seasons.

Dude, read my post. I'm talking about the Klingons. I couldn't give a crap about the ships, and special effects being more advanced looking. It's pretty much been established already that, by having the original sets appear on Enterprise, that Starfleet decided for some kind of retro look around the time of TOS. There is no reason, however, for an updated Klingon look. They were fine the way they were.

 

[Freman]

Hi, lol. The Klingons between TOS and The Motion Picture are radically different, lol. If you don't like the new Klingons, lol, that's fine, lol, but your argument is moot, lol, because of the radical design change Roddenberry himself implemented, lol, back when he had full control of the films, lol. Have a nice day. lol

Right. And that has been explained in-universe. So your argument is the one that's moot.

 

[cultcross]

They were fine the way they were.

Which way though? The most recent look was that in STID, so should they have gone with that?

 

[Freman]

Obviously, I'm talking about the Prime universe look.

I thought I was watching a trailer for a series set in the Kelvinverse. And honestly, I would have been fine with that. But we've been told this was Prime. So at least keep the alien races looking the same.

Or explain in show that, due to the virus that made the Klingons look like humans, the Klingons started messing around and ended up with this new look. Some kind of explanation and I'm good. Don't just expect me to believe that this is what Klingons look like now.