Yep.
"Reboot," "reimagining" etc. are words that mean exactly what some marketing people decide they mean this week - nothing more and nothing less. They're mainly used to misdirect, assuage and excuse.
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Yep.
"Reboot," "reimagining" etc. are words that mean exactly what some marketing people decide they mean this week - nothing more and nothing less. They're mainly used to misdirect, assuage and excuse.
"reimagining®"
As optimistic as I am about this show, I'm still not on board with the Klingons. IMO, it's just too much of an arbitrary departure that doesn't look new or different enough to what we've seen in on other aliens in previous Trek installments to warrant a complete redesign. Yes, the Klingons were re-imagined once for the first film, but all subsequent redesigns were riffs and improvements on that design, so suddenly having features like four nostrils (is that what we're seeing?) is pretty jarring.
That being said, the wide range of reactions to them here gives me some perspective--to some people, the design immediately evokes Klingons even if they don't look like Worf, to others they look a lot like existing Klingons, and other people find the design appealing regardless. So I'm willing to keep an open mind.
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That being said, the wide range of reactions to them here gives me some perspective--to some people, the design immediately evokes Klingons even if they don't look like Worf, to others they look a lot like existing Klingons, and other people find the design appealing regardless. So I'm willing to keep an open mind.
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Generally, it's accepted in Hollywood that interiors like this look better when self-lit by internal lights rather than studio ligthing. It does iin fact look more realistic and cinematic.
McFarlane is trying to replicate Berman era lighting.
However, in the scheme of things, the internal lighting in the Shenzhou bridge is not so dark it could be mistaken for an Alien movie.
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McFarlane is trying to replicate Berman era lighting.
However, in the scheme of things, the internal lighting in the Shenzhou bridge is not so dark it could be mistaken for an Alien movie.
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Why is it so DARK
why is eveything so DARK these days?
Green's ears change shape in the trailer, she's a Romulan/Vulcan.
IMO:Orville had nice fx, but yes, it was overlit, bland and not very detailed. The exact opposite of the DSC trailer. So it kind of looks like the trek some people want: old, obsolete trek. Thankfully, we're not getting that.
No comparison here really:
Cinematic
TV
Star Trek (The first season of TOS had very good lighting) and was shot on film
TNG (In Syndication) - Aka Bland...looks like a Hotel lobby...and they even made it look like it was shot on Broadcast quality Betacam SP.
Yes, I see your point - sorta like TNG's "Tin Man" or maybe "First Contact"...
Eh..TOS lighting is not modern by any standard. It was also the usual studio lighting with lots of colored gels.
IMO:
Star Trek (The first season of TOS had very good lighting) and was shot on film
TNG (In Syndication) - Aka Bland...looks like a Hotel lobby...and they even made it look like it was shot on Broadcast quality Betacam SP.
From what to what? They look round to me.
She does seem like she might be playing someone raised with a Vulcan influence though. Maybe. I'm excited by the unknown.
That was an ok trailer. The klingons are the worst looking klingons in the franchise, and I'd put them on a top 10 worst alien designs in Star Trek list, too. I wish the Starfleet uniforms were more distinct with colors, but besides that they look ok. Same with all the Frederation design stuff, nothing all that great but not bad, just ok. The bridge is ok, the ship doesn't look as good as its first design but its still ok.
So, design wise it looks like it will be tolerable (outside of the "klingons"). Besides that, we don't get much. I don't like Sarek being involved, or that one character having some connection to him (or at least to Vulcan, it wasn't clear). Nothing story wise was that interesting, but nothing terrible (outside of, once again, the "klingons").
So, based on the trailer it looks like it will be an ok way to spend 45 or so minutes but nothing more. That's not great, in fact I'd argue that means it could be the second weakest show after Enterprise if that ends up happening, but it could be worse. I'm hoping it surprises me, but right now all I can really say is atleast it doesn't look terrible.
So, design wise it looks like it will be tolerable (outside of the "klingons"). Besides that, we don't get much. I don't like Sarek being involved, or that one character having some connection to him (or at least to Vulcan, it wasn't clear). Nothing story wise was that interesting, but nothing terrible (outside of, once again, the "klingons").
So, based on the trailer it looks like it will be an ok way to spend 45 or so minutes but nothing more. That's not great, in fact I'd argue that means it could be the second weakest show after Enterprise if that ends up happening, but it could be worse. I'm hoping it surprises me, but right now all I can really say is atleast it doesn't look terrible.
Yes, I see your point - sorta like TNG's "Tin Man" or maybe "First Contact"...
Sure, why not?
BTW, all of TNG was shot on film (edited and with effects inserted in video from the very beginning). And it was always in first-run syndication, never on network.
That isn't the Discovery.
This gets way too complicated.
Enterprise was a retcon of the same timeline as TOS.
ret·con
ˈretkän/
noun
- 1.
(in a film, television series, or other fictional work) a piece of new information that imposes a different interpretation on previously described events, typically used to facilitate a dramatic plot shift or account for an inconsistency.
"we're given a retcon for Wilf's absence from Donna's wedding in ‘The Runaway Bride’: he had Spanish Flu"
DSC is a reimagining. Ie: it is a fictional readjustment of the same timeline, using creative license. We have to imagine knowing what we know now in 2017 that the original show wouldn't have looked like a 60s cardboard set.
2233 Prime reality USS Kelvin completes mission, returns to Earth
2233 Kelvin reality - USS Kelvin is destroyed (beginning of alternate reality)
2250-ish Discovery begins (alternate reality)
2255 Pike commands Enterprise (prime reality)
2255 Discovery begins (prime reality)
2255 Kirk on Enterprise (alternate reality)
2255 - 2258 Cadet / Lieutenant at Starfleet Academy, and *USS Farragut
2258 Kirk appointed captain of the USS Enterprise, and Vulcan is destroyed by Nero and the Narada
2260 Kirk commands Enterprise on 5 yr mission (alternate reality)
2263 Enterprise destroyed (alternate reality)
2265 - 2270 Kirk commands Enterprise on 5 yr mission (prime reality)
2387 Spock and Nero enter the black hole, Narada enters, attacks USS Kelvin in 2233. (alternate reality)
*Writer Roberto Orci felt Kirk (alternate reality) served a semester on the USS Farragut, which his prime counterpart also did between 2255 and 2258 (Star Trek Magazine issue 171) Received Palm Leaf of Anaxar
It can't be the Prime universe as CBS claims. I understand that Discovery can't be made to look like the pre-TOS era, but they didn't even try to have the spirit of Pike's era, ship design, uniforms, new aliens, 'klingons' - nothing even remotely calls back to the TOS/pre TOS era.
Discovery is a Kelvin-ish timeline series. At least JJA's version TRIES to evoke the spirit of TOS in the characters and uniforms, and I can't believe I'm saying this, but even the JJ-Enterprise (exterior) suggests the refit Enterprise from the films.
2233 Kelvin reality - USS Kelvin is destroyed (beginning of alternate reality)
2250-ish Discovery begins (alternate reality)
2255 Pike commands Enterprise (prime reality)
2255 Discovery begins (prime reality)
2255 Kirk on Enterprise (alternate reality)
2255 - 2258 Cadet / Lieutenant at Starfleet Academy, and *USS Farragut
2258 Kirk appointed captain of the USS Enterprise, and Vulcan is destroyed by Nero and the Narada
2260 Kirk commands Enterprise on 5 yr mission (alternate reality)
2263 Enterprise destroyed (alternate reality)
2265 - 2270 Kirk commands Enterprise on 5 yr mission (prime reality)
2387 Spock and Nero enter the black hole, Narada enters, attacks USS Kelvin in 2233. (alternate reality)
*Writer Roberto Orci felt Kirk (alternate reality) served a semester on the USS Farragut, which his prime counterpart also did between 2255 and 2258 (Star Trek Magazine issue 171) Received Palm Leaf of Anaxar
It can't be the Prime universe as CBS claims. I understand that Discovery can't be made to look like the pre-TOS era, but they didn't even try to have the spirit of Pike's era, ship design, uniforms, new aliens, 'klingons' - nothing even remotely calls back to the TOS/pre TOS era.
Discovery is a Kelvin-ish timeline series. At least JJA's version TRIES to evoke the spirit of TOS in the characters and uniforms, and I can't believe I'm saying this, but even the JJ-Enterprise (exterior) suggests the refit Enterprise from the films.
For the juncture we're at, I'm pleased. As @Serveaux said, the message of the trailer is that Star Trek is back. It pleases me that it was sent and received.
On TOS, absolutely.
My reaction to the trailer is much like that initial trailer for The Force Awakens: good, well shot and overall a great production with a good vibe. But that's all I can say because, like the trailer for TFA, there's isn't too much context provided for the story. The only negative I have of the trailer is that some of the performances really seem off. Dare I say it, even Yeoh's seemed a little detached from the material she was performing.
Except all the final broadcast MASTERS were edited onto 1" boadcast Betacam SP tape (which is why even the original DVD transfers look less then at 480P resolution.) I know for the Blu Rays they recreated the masters from the filmed portions they had, using the original Betacam masters as a guide - but all the original Broadcast masters were on tape.
Em... Not really, no.
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