Spoilers DC's Legends of Tomorrow - Season 2
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I get the feeling Vixen and Steel are going to be the ones responsible for getting Rip back. They joined the team after he left, and the story magaged to keep them and him separate. They are an unknown element to him and I can't help but think it's by design.
A sword made of light? "Just don't call it a lightsaber." 
"Sara Lance-alot" kissing Guinevere? Priceless.
I enjoyed this episode, though they sort of downplayed Camelot. King Arthur was just a pawn in Damien and Rip's plan to retrieve the missing piece of the spear. And all that bloodshed was meaningless because the other party was being mind- controlled by the Legion of Doom. It wasn't like the bad army was really bad.
"Sara Lance-alot" kissing Guinevere? Priceless.I enjoyed this episode, though they sort of downplayed Camelot. King Arthur was just a pawn in Damien and Rip's plan to retrieve the missing piece of the spear. And all that bloodshed was meaningless because the other party was being mind- controlled by the Legion of Doom. It wasn't like the bad army was really bad.
Of course Mick is more powerful than the doc. I was thinking about that even before they got to that part. In fact, I've been thinking about that for a while now. Mick is all about intensity and passion while Stein is more intellectual. The former trumps the latter when it comes to making things happen. Mick has a value that others don't see. He's never been just a dumb brute. Highly intuitive too. Who was it that said that imagination is more important than knowledge?
Worth it just to hear how the Darhk Knight say "Oh, hey guys!".
Was I the only one getting Monty Python vibes when Arthur and the Black Knight were fighting? "It's only a flesh wound!"
I'm glad that they used Stargirl's anachronistic influence to explain why Camelot was more like the myth than like history. Much better than Doctor Who's "Robot of Sherwood," where they portrayed a Robin Hood that was exactly note-for-note like the 20th-century cinematic version of the myth without the slightest attempt to explain why.
Although certain things were different from the legends, particularly where the romantic pairings were concerned. What is it with Sara and queens? She's made out with at least two of them now (three if you count Oliver Queen).
I think this is the first time we've seen a live-action Vixen draw on more than one animal's ashe at the same time, in the scene where Amaya summoned the power to pull the sword from the stone (I'm guessing the gorilla and the bear were for strength and the bird of prey was for a firm grip). I believe that moment was also the fullest statement of the Vixen musical theme that we've had in live action, at least for Amaya.
I'm glad that they used Stargirl's anachronistic influence to explain why Camelot was more like the myth than like history. Much better than Doctor Who's "Robot of Sherwood," where they portrayed a Robin Hood that was exactly note-for-note like the 20th-century cinematic version of the myth without the slightest attempt to explain why.
Although certain things were different from the legends, particularly where the romantic pairings were concerned. What is it with Sara and queens? She's made out with at least two of them now (three if you count Oliver Queen).
I think this is the first time we've seen a live-action Vixen draw on more than one animal's ashe at the same time, in the scene where Amaya summoned the power to pull the sword from the stone (I'm guessing the gorilla and the bear were for strength and the bird of prey was for a firm grip). I believe that moment was also the fullest statement of the Vixen musical theme that we've had in live action, at least for Amaya.
This might of been my favorite episode in awhile. Particularly because of Stargirl's influence altering history to create the myth. The "First Look" video released before it aired showed Nate telling the rest it's just stories but one of the producers saying they find Camelot is just like the stories anyways. Given this show's track record I thought they were going to just leave it to that without an explanation. So I was surprised and impressed that Stargirl is Merlyn. Also given the time period she was from her image of Camelot would totally been defined by what see saw in movies made in the Golden Age of Hollywood.
I am still disappointed that many of JSA served no purpose on this series but to be killed off. This being a time travel series they could revisit JSA at early times. But I suspect they are just like Hawkgirl and Hawkman, used for one season's plot line and than discarded.
I am still disappointed that many of JSA served no purpose on this series but to be killed off. This being a time travel series they could revisit JSA at early times. But I suspect they are just like Hawkgirl and Hawkman, used for one season's plot line and than discarded.
I guess it's good that they avoided the obvious reveal, i.e. that Merlin was actually Malcolm Merlyn.
When I saw the lightsaber I was expecting Darhk would pull out some of his Force tricks.
It's a shame, could have been a full-on Jedi v Sith battle...
Was waiting for someone to make that into a pun the whole episode so the Lance-a-lot one caught me completely off guard
I've seen some people online complaining about the show having Courtney/Merlin be in love with Arthur and Guinevere kiss Sara, which begs the question "are these people even the least bit familiar with the legends of Arthur at all?" since adultery is the major thematic subplot running throughout the entirety of said legends (Arthur's son, Mordred, is the product of an incestuous affair with his half-sister, for crying out loud, and of course there's the infamous Guinevere and Lancelot affair that ultimately is responsible, along with Mordred's birth, for destroying Camelot completely).
I like that we're finding out what actually happened to the JSA after they vanished from history in 1957, although I wish they hadn't killed off Doctor Mid-nite, and getting to see these little bits of 'backstory' filled in, along with the Legends' interactions with each other and the antics they get up to as they visit different points in time, is largely what's keeping me watching the show this season even though the quality of the individual episodes has been all over the place, with an episode one week being really good followed by a not-so-good episode (or two) followed by another really good episode (or two), although with only 5 episodes left, I'm starting to lose hope that things will actually stabilize.
Oh well. It is what it is, and even if I'm 'meh' on certain episodes, this is still a season I'll definitely be owning once it comes out on DVD.
I like that we're finding out what actually happened to the JSA after they vanished from history in 1957, although I wish they hadn't killed off Doctor Mid-nite, and getting to see these little bits of 'backstory' filled in, along with the Legends' interactions with each other and the antics they get up to as they visit different points in time, is largely what's keeping me watching the show this season even though the quality of the individual episodes has been all over the place, with an episode one week being really good followed by a not-so-good episode (or two) followed by another really good episode (or two), although with only 5 episodes left, I'm starting to lose hope that things will actually stabilize.
Oh well. It is what it is, and even if I'm 'meh' on certain episodes, this is still a season I'll definitely be owning once it comes out on DVD.
The team did react defensively when Arthur called on Merlin, with Sara telling the team to prepare to fight their way out. I didn't realize it at the time, but maybe they reacted that way because they expected it to be Malcolm Merlyn.
Plus, even with Courtney influencing things to be closer to the myth, it still makes sense that some of the details got lost in translation. Obviously Guinevere being lesbian would have been something the historians and storytellers glossed over, along with her being a warrior queen equal to Arthur. She would've been rewritten as Arthur's wife and lover, and Sara Lance would've been rewritten as Sir Lancelot, even as Stargirl Merlin got rewritten as an old man (while the part about her coming from the future would've become the myth about Merlin aging backward through time).
Come to think of it, I'm surprised they approached Camelot and Merlin this way, because the DC characters of Etrigan/Jason Blood and Morgaine le Fey are rooted in the traditional lore of Arthur and Merlin, so that could create a problem if these shows ever wanted to use those characters (for instance in the Constantine animated webseries revival).
@Christopher I don't see how the show's approach to Camelot and Arthurian Lore would preclude the potential introduction of Etrigan and Madame Xanadu.
At one point, DC had multiple Camelots, and I think they still do. Pre-reboot the second Shining Knight came from a different earlier (around 8,000 BC) Camelot instead of the regular Camelot Etrigan and (I think) the Golden Age shining knight came from. Both versions had a King Arthur, Merlin, Knights of the Round Table, etc. I don't remember if Xanadu had any Camelot connections pre-New 52, but I seem to remember the excellent Demon Knights book also establishing that Xanadu/Etrigan and Shining Knight were still from two different versions of Camelot, and that was a New 52 title. That doesn't have a lot of bearing to Legends of Tomorrow, but having a second Camelot (which is similar to the first) is an interesting idea, like its a cycle that repeats itself so there can be several versions to mess around with.
That idea of King Authur being a cycle was also used in the excellent Camelot 3000, which is what the title of this episode referenced. I really wish we could see that story used or adapted somehow, (if not in LoT then just in general) but I doubt that will ever happen.
I mentioned Morgaine, not Xanadu, a character I know virtually nothing about. And my point is that, IIRC, the Demon's backstory is heavily tied to the traditional version of Merlin as an actual magic user. It was Merlin who summoned Etrigan and bonded him with Jason Blood as a defense against Morgaine's attack on Camelot. I doubt that Stargirl has the ability to do either of those things, since her power comes from technology that the ancients would've mistaken for magic, rather than from actual magic. So if they did use the character, they'd have to retcon his origins in a way that didn't include Merlin.
Although my greater concern is that they wouldn't bother. If they did it a few years down the road, or in animation, they might not remember -- or might consciously choose to ignore -- this single throwaway episode.
Good point, although there doesn't seem to be a consistent practice with regard to what movie characters are off-limits for the shows.
You mean, in America you don't have Christmas crackers containing paper hats, party favours & crap/corny jokes? Can I just say that I was on the side of the red coats in this episode and (especially given what's happened to America since November) was cheering when Rip started handing out M-16s. I'm also British of course
.On the subject of the previous episode, I can't explain why they'd tape pictures to the wall instead of using Gideon's interface but there are two possible reasons how Jesse Quick's picture was included.
1: She ends up 'emigrating' to Earth-1.
2: At the end of 'The Flash' pilot Gideon (is it the same Gideon as on the Waverider?) shows Thawn the newspaper referring to red skies, an obvious reference to 'Crisis on Infinite Earths'. Given that the Waverider is from the future maybe all the universes in the multiverse have merged ala the Crisis and Jesse is simply another speedster of Earth, well whatever Earth was called 'post-Crisis' in terms of Earth-1 etc and thus is in Gideon's files. Though in that scenario it would be interesting to know which Flash, Superman, Batman etc we get on this combined Earth.
On the subject of the Spear of Destiny, why doesn't the Legion of Doom simply go back to the crucifixion and take the thing after its been used to pierce Christ's side (I'm guessing he's a metahuman in this universe - 'He's not the Messiah, he's a mutant. And a very naughty boy!'
)? Or are they frightened of pissing off viewers in the 'Bible belt'?Similar threads
