Spoilers DC's Legends of Tomorrow - Season 2

[sojourner]

except I found it weird to have relations with someone from another time period. Normally, Steel wouldn't be physically attracted to a woman in her 80s or 90s, but Vixen is pretty much his grandmother,

Well, it's not like he met her in a nursing home, thought she would be cute when young and jumped into a time machine to go hit on her younger self. He met her as a contemporary and only relates to her as someone near his age.

Heck, the only way I can think to really make this feel squicky is if he'd met her as a little girl first, then jumped into a time machine to meet her when she's full grown to date her.

 

[Snaploud]

The same device also shut down the team's comms and weapons and neutralized Atom and Firestorm. He had to deal with the Legends, not just Gideon. He couldn't even have gotten to Gideon if he hadn't taken care of the Legends first.

Good point. I was originally thinking he could have just modified the range of the device, but I forgot that Firestorm was on the ship.

Side note: It would have been nice if Steel and Vixen were temporarily incapacitated through the actions of evil Rip. They're the only ones whose powers were unaffected by the blast/burst, and they were only out of the picture due to clumsiness and their prioritizing sex over helping their friends.

 

[DigificWriter]

Earlier in this season, it looked like Legends was going to make Rip Hunter likeable for the first time, and then they go and do the exact opposite, unnecessarily creating a drag on their narrative and, in the process, ruining what was otherwise a fun episode, which is a shame.

I was surprised to see Amaya shacking up with Nate because, earlier in the season, it looked like they were building something between her and Rory, but I liked it because it added some nice character development to contrast and redeem the stupidity of the episode focusing so much of the rest of its narrative on Evil Rip Hunter.

Hopefully the writers can do something with this Evil Rip Hunter thing that is similar to what The Flash's writers were able to do in turning lemons into lemonade with the "Julian is Alchemy" plot, or otherwise I might not stick around as a viewer.

 

[Christopher]

Side note: It would have been nice if Steel and Vixen were temporarily incapacitated through the actions of evil Rip. They're the only ones whose powers were unaffected by the blast/burst, and they were only out of the picture due to clumsiness and their prioritizing sex over helping their friends.

That's a little harsh. I don't think being thrown off a cliff counts as "clumsiness," and of course Amaya had to dive in to save Nate. And after that, he was suffering from severe hypothermia and needed time to recover, and Amaya needed to stay close to make sure he was all right. So it's not like they could've leapt right into action but ignored their responsibilities for sex.

I was surprised to see Amaya shacking up with Nate because, earlier in the season, it looked like they were building something between her and Rory

They were building something between her and Rory. But we're past the time when it's assumed the only "something" a man and woman can possibly have together is a sexual relationship. The bond between Amaya and Rory is a friendship based on mutual understanding. It was never supposed to be about sex.

 

[DigificWriter]

The way they depicted Rory and Amaya's interactions early on seemed to explicitly be telegraphing an eventual romantic pairing of the two characters, at least to me, so it was surprising to see them go a different direction.

Speaking of Rory, his interactions with General Washington were the only other thing besides the Nate/Amaya relationship stuff that kept the episode from completely falling on its face, and the fact that he's now recognized as one of the Founding Fathers of the United States on Earth-1 is just hilarious.

 

[dahj]

The way they depicted Rory and Amaya's interactions early on seemed to explicitly be telegraphing an eventual romantic pairing of the two characters, at least to me, so it was surprising to see them go a different direction.

I didn't really see their bonding as being romantic in nature, it was more a case of both of them recognizing they can be friends despite enormous differences in their backgrounds and worldviews.

prioritizing sex over helping their friends.

Their mission wasn't to help friends, they just had to save George Washington.

And Mick.

 

[Morpheus 02]

Mick Rory was an ass as usual, and I loved him just as much. "No wonder Franklin is on the $100 bill."

The chemistry between Steel and Vixen was good, except I found it weird to have relations with someone from another time period. Normally, Steel wouldn't be physically attracted to a woman in her 80s or 90s, but Vixen is pretty much his grandmother, although this is her younger self we're talking about.

The episode should've aired around the holidays.

What I found weird was a few things (not Steel's reaction but Vixen's)... 1) Didn't Vixen have 1940 values on sex? She sure was cavalier about the affair . It'd be nice for sexual diversity on the other end of the spectrum 2) I feel like they might set it up as Steel being modern Vixen's grandfather.. But the timing doesn't work out for her as it does for him... It makes sense for the original Steel to be new Steels' grandfather (i.e. having a son around 1950 or so, and that son producing Nick between 1980-1987 seems reasonable)... but with Vixen, she'd give birth in 1945, and then Vixen's mom didn't have her until 1980, 1985 latest, which seems pushing it). We'll see by the end of the season, i guess.


Also, I am confused by original Vixen... I missed any background on when she came to America, and way she sounds so American (other than bad casting/direction)?


The whole set up with the wet clothes and body warmth, also, felt like a Brannon Braga plot that would've fit into Enterprise.


But I agree with everyone -- loved Mick's intro...especially that last line. "Who writes this crap,anyway?"

(though with these last intro's...I guess they are more firmly making this show into a "fun" show and one we should not take very seriously)

 

[Christopher]

The way they depicted Rory and Amaya's interactions early on seemed to explicitly be telegraphing an eventual romantic pairing of the two characters, at least to me, so it was surprising to see them go a different direction.

"Explicitly" how? I don't recall either of them asking the other on a date or making an overt statement of romantic or sexual interest. Sure, I initially suspected they were setting up a romance too, but it was just a possibility suggested by their interaction, so by definition it was not explicit.

Besides, Amaya insisted that what happened with Nate was a one-night stand. She doesn't seem interested in more. So it doesn't actually rule out the possibility that she is interested in Mick.

 

[Jax]

The whole having sex while they knew there friends and the entire American Revolution hung in the balance was stupid to say the very least. Also why not kill Washington on the dam spot and they just let Rip walk away, had more than enough time to just shoot him in leg if need be and take it back. LoD have exactly what they need to re write all of REALITY and they sit there having a Christmas dinner.

I know Legends is meant to be just campy fun but seriously the writers can't have everyone act so stupid when the stakes are the fabric of reality, it's too silly for its own good.

But I agree with everyone -- loved Mick's intro...especially that last line. "Who writes this crap,anyway?"

Indeed.

 

[Psion]

...
The episode should've aired around the holidays.

If you think about it, it almost makes sense to have the Christmas episode air some time other than Christmas. It's a time-travel show!

 

[Christopher]

If you think about it, it almost makes sense to have the Christmas episode air some time other than Christmas. It's a time-travel show!

Absolutely. The Christmas episodes of The Flash and Arrow were their first adventures after the Dominator invasion. Okay, that means the invasion happened the week before Christmas 2016, fine. But it would've beggared coincidence if the Legends' first adventure after the invasion had just happened to take them to Christmas 1776.

 

[Tallguy]

Their mission wasn't to help friends, they just had to save George Washington.

And Mick.

It's implied.

If you think about it, it almost makes sense to have the Christmas episode air some time other than Christmas. It's a time-travel show!

Nice.

But it would've beggared coincidence if the Legends' first adventure after the invasion had just happened to take them to Christmas 1776.

We ARE talking about Legends of Tomorrow, right?

If I didn't watch Doctor Who then that Christmas celebration would have made no sense to me.

That was one of the most fun hours of television I've watched in a while. It was hilarious, it was thrilling, it was scary, and even occasionally moving. (By contrast I haven't managed to make it through last week's Arrow.)

I'm going to play Mick's speech to Washington every July 4th now, right along with Independence Day and E Plebnista!

Is there anything about Amaya that indicates that she is from the 40's? Speech, style of dress, attitudes? If she was an uptight mission-drivien superhero from 2017 what would be different about her?

Rick is a terrifying villain. I desperately want the old Rick back.

So did Jax's note "Now I have a machine gun! Ho! Ho! Ho!" end up on the cutting room floor?

This episode was seven different things and I think it did about six of them perfectly!

 

[Christopher]

If I didn't watch Doctor Who then that Christmas celebration would have made no sense to me.

Me either. Before I saw "The Time of the Doctor," I thought the term "Christmas cracker" referred to some kind of food item. (Although I think they call those biscuits in the UK.)

Is there anything about Amaya that indicates that she is from the 40's? Speech, style of dress, attitudes?

Didn't we see a lot of that here, with her talk of "courting" and different sexual mores?

 

[The Old Mixer]

Is there anything about Amaya that indicates that she is from the 40's? Speech, style of dress, attitudes? If she was an uptight mission-drivien superhero from 2017 what would be different about her?

Yeah, this was the first episode I can remember since she joined the team that even acknowledged that she was from the '40s, and that was just set-up for her fling with Nate.

 

[Tallguy]

Didn't we see a lot of that here, with her talk of "courting" and different sexual mores?

Maybe that was the exception that proved the rule? I'm not sure if I thought those scenes didn't ring true, or they called into relief everything else.

I did like that there is a certain resignation to her character. She's accepted that she's on a time-traveling spaceship with criminals, amateurs, and losers and she's (sorry) not in Kansas anymore.

But otherwise she feels very modern. I'm not sure what would fix that. I mean, I don't want her to start talking like a Howard Hawks movie. (Well, I TOTALLY want her to start talking like a Howard Hawks movie. Just because that would be awesome.) But something more subtle would be OK.

 

[The Old Mixer]

Yes...being on a timeship with a bunch of people who are from 75 years in her future should make her more of a fish out of water, but the show's been pretty much ignoring that angle.

 

[Christopher]

I guess I can understand why Amaya isn't as overtly '40s-ish as you'd expect -- and it's the same reason she's not as African as I'd expected. It's bugged me that her accent is so American, given that she seems to have been brought to America from Zambesi only a few years before we met her. But I suppose that, as an African in racially prejudiced 1930s/40s America, she may have wanted to blend in as best she could. So maybe she worked hard to master an American accent and adopt the local culture and behavior. And now that she's been displaced in time, that same instinct to blend in is at work again, so she's adopting modern dress and not playing up her attachment to '40s things. Maybe talking more openly about her past here is an indication that she's getting more comfortable with her teammates and starting to be herself more.

 

[sojourner]

Maybe she called upon the power of a parrot to learn english?

 

[Tallguy]

I guess I can understand why Amaya isn't as overtly '40s-ish as you'd expect -- and it's the same reason she's not as African as I'd expected. It's bugged me that her accent is so American, given that she seems to have been brought to America from Zambesi only a few years before we met her. But I suppose that, as an African in racially prejudiced 1930s/40s America, she may have wanted to blend in as best she could. So maybe she worked hard to master an American accent and adopt the local culture and behavior. And now that she's been displaced in time, that same instinct to blend in is at work again, so she's adopting modern dress and not playing up her attachment to '40s things. Maybe talking more openly about her past here is an indication that she's getting more comfortable with her teammates and starting to be herself more.

I'm pretty sure you've given more thought to that than the writers have.

Maybe she called upon the power of a parrot to learn english?

I'm so ashamed I found that funny.

 

[Beagleman]

She should talk with a parrot accent!