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Netflix greenlights new "Lost in Space"

comic actions, ineptitude and bumbling does not excuse prior actions. i know you don't hear this very often, but you are wrong. Smith is evil.

A character who's "just evil" is far less interesting than a character who has nuance. I don't know why you want him to be uninteresting. Heck, he was less interesting when he became a one-dimensional buffoon later in the series. The only time he really was interesting was in the early episodes where he was ambiguous and conflicted, where he had the capacity to go either way and it wasn't clear which choice he'd make.

After all, that's how we got onto this subject. The question was raised about what had made the Smith character interesting in the first place, and how he could've worked as a character with sufficiently good writing. We're not having a conversation about morality here, because Smith is a fictional construct. We're having a conversation about writing and characterization. And good writing means complexity and interesting motivations, whether the character is a hero, a villain, or something in between. Just calling someone "evil" is avoiding the question of what motivates them. Maybe a character does evil things, but why does the character do them? What is their reason for choosing to act in an evil way? And does that motivation mean they have the potential to be redeemed, or to do good as well as evil? There's a whole spectrum of villain types, some more "evil" than others, some more redeemable than others, and with many different reasons for choosing to do evil.

And that's the point I'm making. I'm not trying to excuse Smith's actions, because -- again -- he's imaginary. I'm just giving my assessment of what motivates him as a character, which is that he's driven by self-interest, greed, and cowardice rather than deliberate malice or cruelty, and that while he is willing to benefit at the expense of others' safety or survival, there are limits on his capacity for outright violence. Calling someone "evil" implies, at least to my ear, that they want to do harm to others as an end in itself. And that's not Smith. He's merely selfish and short-sighted. What he wants is to be safe and comfortable and rich, surrounded by sybaritic pleasures and intellectually stimulating companions. If he could achieve that without harming anyone, he'd do so without hesitation. But Aeolus 14 Umbra offered him a chance to achieve that by harming someone, and he was self-absorbed and greedy enough to agree to that so long as he could do it from a distance and not have to see it happen. But when he was forced into a situation where he actually got to know his intended victims, he found he couldn't actually be the assassin that he'd been hired to be. Not only did he lack the courage and ruthlessness to kill face-to-face, but he'd actually begun to like the Robinsons, and to recognize that he needed them, that his self-interest was best served by keeping them alive. And so the man who had been hired to kill them ended up saving them.

Now, isn't that a more interesting story than just "He's evil?"
 
Yes. Besides, Smith softened as time wore on. Garak tortured Odo, but both did what they did out of attachment.

Hot headed Don, on the other hand, I found two dimensional.
 
Okay let's see the heads asplode. :biggrin:
Why? Dr. Smith didn't really revolve at all around his gender or race. He's a perfectly character to "reimagine" for the sake of "diversity," or much more hopefully, to hire an actor who can fulfill his role well regardless of their gender or race.

It's not like making Johnny Storm black just for the sake of making him black. (I'm sure there weren't any other actors who gave a better audition than Michael B. Jordon.)
 
Why? Dr. Smith didn't really revolve at all around his gender or race. He's a perfectly character to "reimagine" for the sake of "diversity," or much more hopefully, to hire an actor who can fulfill his role well regardless of their gender or race.

It's not like making Johnny Storm black just for the sake of making him black. (I'm sure there weren't any other actors who gave a better audition than Michael B. Jordon.)

Just because they frequently do that's all. Nothing sinister.
 
Very cool, it'll be very interesting to see what they do with the character now that it's a woman. So is Major West the only major character from the original series who we haven't heard about yet?
 
Very cool, it'll be very interesting to see what they do with the character now that it's a woman. So is Major West the only major character from the original series who we haven't heard about yet?
Penny?
 
Uh, wrong.

He didn't go through with it to save his own hide because he knew he couldn't survive on his own. EVERY SINGLE OPPORTUNITY he had in which he thought he could betray/ditch/kill them and stand a chance of surviving/getting home, he tried to take. The only times he -ever- backed down, aside from a mild fondness for Will, was when he realized the individuals he was dealing with were going to betray him right back.

The dude was evil through and through.

I will agree that early on, he was evil--including sending the robot to kill the Robinsons after they crash landed. After that all too brief period, Irwin Allen sent Smith to the point of no return--

Harris: "I played many villains in my time, and my most successful villains have been comedic villains. And I began to sneak it in, and I must say, Irwin not only allowed me to do that, but one day said, "Do more!" And the rest, as you say, is history."

So, it was not long into LiS' first season that the "sinister agent" / evil template of Smith quickly faded in favor of the one that pleased Irwin Allen. The wild, go-go boot-wearing, screaming Smith was allowed to be the center of the series, and the primary draw--even in relationships with Will and the Robot. But through it all, he was completely self-serving in ways that--in real life--would lead to someone putting a bullet through his head, since he jeopardized the lives of the family over and over again.

He may not have been that early Smith, but habitual scheming is a form of evil--even if (in this case) it was wrapped in a cloak of buffoonery.
 
Ever since I was a young boy in the '70s, I have been a fan of the original Lost In Space(1965-68) watching it in reruns. I think it is great having Dr. Smith be changed to a female character and Parker Posey will probably be awesome in the role. Her Dr. Smith's friendship with Will and confrontational interaction[if it exists on the new series] with Major West will be interesting to see. nuBSG(2003-2009) changing the genders of Starbuck and Boomer added a new level to the characters too.
 
If you were serious about this, I'd just say we're not talking about a great role...we're talking about Doctor Smith. But Posey might make it great.

Smith could've been a great role if he hadn't been dumbed down. The Smith of the first several episodes is basically Iago. (The one from Othello, not the Disney parrot.)
 
I've been trying to think what the female equivalent of the name Zachary Smith would be. Maybe Jacqueline Smith?
Maybe something like Zahara? I think they should keep the Z. Or just keep Zachary, like Charlie or Bobbie or other co-opted male names, they're from the future, man! They can spell it Zacharie, Zackaree or whatever if they feel the need.

I have a question, I'm trying to wrap my head around the casting and the answer is most likely they'll do a different take on the character but has there ever been someone like a "female Dr. Smith" in a TV show? I'm trying to think but coming up short. Maybe Eleanor from The Good Place.
 
I have a question, I'm trying to wrap my head around the casting and the answer is most likely they'll do a different take on the character but has there ever been someone like a "female Dr. Smith" in a TV show? I'm trying to think but coming up short. Maybe Eleanor from The Good Place.

If anything, I'd say that a scheming, selfish character who puts on a facade of charm and cooperation is probably a pretty standard female character type in fiction and lore; the sexist trope was that all women were inherently devious and two-faced, prone to mislead and manipulate rather than being forthright and aggressive like a man. Indeed, Smith was implicitly coded as effeminate/gay to begin with, since that was commonly associated with villainy and moral failings at the time.
 
So what are some examples from other shows?

Ginger Grant on GILLIGAN'S ISLAND?

I'm only half-joking. Ginger was supposed to be kind of vain and self-centered, although, admittedly, she didn't put the castaways in danger on a regular basis.

Sydney's mother on ALIAS? Whose loyalties tended to shift without notice and whom almost always had an ulterior motive.
 
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